Peaceful Islam?

[Ned]

Across the world we see repeated acts of violence against Christian American and her Christian allies, against the Jews of Israel, against the Catholics of East Timor, against the Christians of Nigeria and the Sudan, against Christian Russia against Hindu's in India and today against a number of Hindu temples in Jammu and Kashmir.

We are told that there is much anger in the Muslim world because of America. We are told that the Muslim world is angry because of America's policies - particularly because of its support of Israel - not because of her culture and religion.

But the pattern of religious violence across the world is far broader than simply America and her policies. The pattern suggests that Islam is in a period of growing violence against other religions and cultures in general.

If Islam is truly a peaceful religion, it seems to have been hijacked by violent extremists. I don't know the truth of this debate. But I see Islam in its current state as a global threat to peace.

How do we fix this? Or better, can we fix this?

[Lord Merciless]

Fanatical Muslimes are pissing off everybody in the world, ranging from America, to Africa, to Australia, to China, to India, to Russia, and god knows whom else. It's about time that good Muslimes Start taking it back from those psychos ASAP and reforming it to adapt to the modern world in next few decades.

Because otherwise, the rest of the world may actually decide to eradicate Islam as a form of "plague".

[Jaakko]

Read this.

[Eli]

Who controls most of the Muslim population?

Saddam, Khattami, Assad, Musharaff, house Saud, Arafat, Quadaffi, Mubarak, Hussein...

Some of them are better than the others, some are worse. But nevertheless all those regimes are oppresive dictatures that encourage radical Islam, militarism and anti-semitism.

[Viking Berserk]

anti-semitism??? they are semittes...

anyway, the israelis are worse than the arabs, end of story.

[Jaakko]

Why on earth do people think Saddam's Iraq is some hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism?

[Caesar the Great]

Peaceful Islam? Dead Osama? Smart Bush?

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Viking Berserk

anyway, the israelis are worse than the arabs, end of story.

Israelis don't go around blowing up restaurants, pizzerias for fun.

Israelis don't hijack civilian airplanes and crash them into buildings.

You Euros need to stop finding excuses for Muslime psychos.

[Kropotkin]

Since the end of the cold war and even more so after the attack against WTC the western world, and the US in particular are looking for a new way of dividing up the world. This has lead to one of the world religions has gotten the bulk of bad press. It's arguable if the religion is the vital variable to understand what's happening in the world.

Remember the years of the cold war. Everything that was portrayed as a threat was painted in red. That's not to say that it was wrong in all chases. However we have to remember that different moments in the world didn't turn to Marxism-leninism out of thin air. The conflicts could be about pretty much anything between heaven and earth but in the rhetorics it has to be simplified. If you're against a country or region that defines itself by their political and economical system you take the opposite stand. Now communism is no longer an issue and there's very little support, moral or otherwise, to win by being communist. Look at PLO et al. for example. The conflict that PLO is taking part in is still the same but the world around it has changed so much that they need to use other rhetorics to gain legitimity for their objectives. Or why not ETA? That ETA was/is Marxist-leninist has much more to do with franco and his habit of calling all his enemies for communists than the real conflict at hand. Or men like Castro and Ho Chi Minh. Their positions in the global game was at least as much a result of the cold war as their own making and their struggle.

So what does this teach us? That it's not a good way to find simple solutions, to find channels on Mars. Many of the so called islamic conflicts are old and are not really connected at all. There's a network of spoiled saudi-arabians and men at the white house that wants it to be so but it's not a global muslim conspiracy (maybe it's the zionists all along ). Al Quaida is just a pale and weak copy of the soviet union with not that much influence.

It's all rhetorics. It says a lot more about the countries and people that claim it than the different conflicts that are said to be parts of this.

That's all for now. Thank you for your attention and have a nice day!

[Thue]

Originally posted by Eli
Who controls most of the Muslim population?

Saddam, Khattami, Assad, Musharaff, house Saud, Arafat, Quadaffi, Mubarak, Hussein...

Some of them are better than the others, some are worse. But nevertheless all those regimes are oppresive dictatures that encourage radical Islam, militarism and anti-semitism.

Saddam Hussein is in no way a radical muslim, I have read. He is just a crazy.
Quadaffi is a socialist, and is trying to pull his country as far away from islam as his people will allow him.
Khattami is your prototype moderate islamist.
Mubarak is doing what he can to control radical islam.
Musharaff is doing what he can to control radical islam.

[Datajack Franit]

I wonder when they'll begin burning down churches in US and Europe as well

[Zkribbler]

The al Queda terrorists are to Islam what the KKK is to Christianity.

Just because there are some wackos within a religion, that doesn't mean the religion is non-peaceful.

P.S. Thue

[Ned]

Here are few choice words from today's talk shows on one of the major sponsors of radidal Islam:

Saudi leaders "have to decide which side they're on," Lieberman said on CBS'"Face the Nation."

"For too many generations they have pacified and accommodated themselves to the most extreme, fanatical, violent elements of Islam, and those elements have now turned on us and the rest of the world."

[Ned]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
The al Queda terrorists are to Islam what the KKK is to Christianity.

Just because there are some wackos within a religion, that doesn't mean the religion is non-peaceful.

P.S. Thue

Then, we need the peaceful elements to stand up for peace - to declare the radicals the evil villans they are.

[Kropotkin]

The peaceful elements have been shot by american or russian made weapons decades ago. Most of these problem-areas eats up reason and moderation very fast.