It's official: gay men are a geater threat than terrorists

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Rest assured that there is none of discussion on that issue and that most european countries do not allow gays in the army.

go ahead and search.

I don't know about most, but certainly her largest and most effective militaries do not ban gays:

United Kingdom
Germany
France
The Netherlands
Sweden
Canada
Norway
Denmark
Ireland
Belgium
Austria
Spain

Other countries such as Italy have no official policy one way or the other, but Italy is restrictive of homosexuals.

[Bereta_Eder]

btw im telling you how it is not what i think about it, if anything
nor what happens in actuality

[Bereta_Eder]

most of these armies are decorative.

they dont face any real threat on their borders.

and they ar not the most effective or important.

in NATO largest armies
#1 US
#2 Turkey


Anmd most effective Greece

[Bereta_Eder]

Also check in which of these countries there is conscription and also provide a link because from what you came up with greece and the uk im suspicious wether your bias gets in the way of you seeing clearly

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Also check in which of these countries there is conscription and also provide a link because from what you came up with greece and the uk im suspicious wether your bias gets in the way of you seeing clearly

Talk of bias from the guy who claims Greece has Europe's most effective military...

I'm not sure about Turkey's numerical amount of troops, but in terms of military expenditure, UK, France, Germany, Italy, and even Spain and the Netherlands outstrip it, the first 3 many times so. These nations have a clear superiority in technology and firepower, at any rate.

Oh, btw, in the second link, you'll note that it also referenced the European Court of Justice forcing Germany to accept women equally into their army, which would also contradict your notion that the EU doesn't have any such jurisdiction. Please provide some support for the assertion they can't, because these verdicts indicate otherwise.

[Bereta_Eder]

NATO says it not me.

To the point you are again lost for words it would seem:

Turkey and Greece have the highest % of GDP going to weapons than any other country of NATO.

Again, misinformed.

[Bereta_Eder]

So in countries where the army is still the army and not something decorative for far away cozy expenditions gays are out of the equation.

Oh and in the US.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Oh, btw, in the second link, you'll note that it also referenced the European Court of Justice forcing Germany to accept women equally into their army, which would also contradict your notion that the EU doesn't have any such jurisdiction. Please provide some support for the assertion they can't, because these verdicts indicate otherwise.

You again have mixed it up. The EU cannot interfere in matters of national security.

It can't twist the arm of any member state to have gays in the military.
That's for sure.

About equality of german women in the army and the allegded implication of the european court of justice, link please? so we can evaluate it?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by paiktis22
NATO says it not me.

Links, links, links.

To the point you are again lost for words it would seem:

Turkey and Greece have the highest % of GDP going to weapons than any other country of NATO.

Again, misinformed.

This is irrelevant. They have much smaller GDPs, so their having a higher percentage of it as their military budget doesn't mean a thing when one is talking military effectiveness and power.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by paiktis22
So in countries where the army is still the army and not something decorative for far away cozy expenditions gays are out of the equation.

Oh and in the US.

Ahem, the IDF?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by paiktis22



You again have mixed it up. The EU cannot interfere in matters of national security.

It can't twist the arm of any member state to have gays in the military.
That's for sure.

About equality of german women in the army and the allegded implication of the european court of justice, link please? so we can evaluate it?

It was mentioned in the second link of one of my posts above. You should have already read it.

Here is another:

http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2000/01/F.RU.000119134814.html

[Bereta_Eder]

It is relevant since we are talking about army importance to each country.

Sure Belgium allows gays in the army (from what you say)

well that's GREAT! Belgium is so much threatened.

We are talking about importance of an army to each country.

And yes Turkey's no gay army is the largest of all NATO members except US.

Also Greece and Turkey have the highest % going to army and their armies still have real uses.

and no gays.

[Bereta_Eder]

quote it for me

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by paiktis22
It is relevant since we are talking about army importance to each country.

I was talking about power and size, not necessarily importance.

If you want to talk about national importance of the army, then let's talk about a country where the army is probably more important than in any other...Israel.

Want to know what their policy is?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by paiktis22
quote it for me

Read the links, and provide some of your own while you're at it. I'm not indulging your laziness.