Racial controversy

[DaShi]

CBeast

[chequita guevara]

Wow!

I guess there's no real point in trying to educate Caligastia. He's not merely lost to racism, he's spouting full blown Aryan Brotherhood BS.

[Caligastia]

All men are brothers.

[ranskaldan]

1)

What do you people term the biological differences between different populations? By this I mean statistical differences: the higher instance of blue eyes in Arctic Europe; the lower instance of the B-allele in the Pyrenees. What do you call those?

2)

Do you think it's possible to eradicate such differences, or at least, eradicate the tendency for people to care about such differences?

3)

What exactly is it about Cali that gets onto all of your nerves? It seems to be common shared knowledge that cali is a "racist", yet nowhere do I see him posting anything that is illogical or false. Care to point those out?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by ranskaldan
1)

What do you people term the biological differences between different populations? By this I mean statistical differences: the higher instance of blue eyes in Arctic Europe; the lower instance of the B-allele in the Pyrenees. What do you call those?

Phenotypes.

2)

Do you think it's possible to eradicate such differences,

Certainly, just make sure than no one can marry anyone from their own phenotype group.

or at least, eradicate the tendency for people to care about such differences?

Yep.

3)

What exactly is it about Cali that gets onto all of your nerves? It seems to be common shared knowledge that cali is a "racist", yet nowhere do I see him posting anything that is illogical or false. Care to point those out?

If you can't understand the racist content in his writing, I have to wonder what you are reading. His last skreed wasn't merely racist, it was flirting with Christian Identity BS. Next he'll start talking about dogs and sheep and quoteing from Mein Kampf.

[ranskaldan]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara Yep.

I have serious doubts about your confidence in humanity.
Race is an artificial social construct based on phenotype, that is very likely true. But this doesn't mean that tribalism isn't inherent in humanity - after about 100,000 years of living as hunter-gatherer groups. You can perhaps suppress it, but not eradicate it.

If you can't understand the racist content in his writing, I have to wonder what you are reading. His last skreed wasn't merely racist, it was flirting with Christian Identity BS. Next he'll start talking about dogs and sheep and quoteing from Mein Kampf.

Care to point them out, specifically?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by ranskaldan
I have serious doubts about your confidence in humanity.

There are still benefits to being racist. I would like to point out what someone earlier pointed out, which is that children of different phenotypes don't care. It's an adult (and older kid) problem. It is not instinctive to flock together, that is a learned behavior.

Care to point them out, specifically?

His entire last post.

[ranskaldan]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
There are still benefits to being racist. I would like to point out what someone earlier pointed out, which is that children of different phenotypes don't care. It's an adult (and older kid) problem. It is not instinctive to flock together, that is a learned behavior.

Children instinctively band together and reject outsiders. In modern society these outsiders may no longer be people of different phenotypes/races. But such a tribalist instinct certainly exists.

Care to point them out, specifically?

His entire last post.

His entire last post was:

1) A stark but realist account of what actually happens;
2) A reassertation that phenotypes do exist;
3) A somewhat questionable part about genes leading to culture.

can you highlight/quote the parts that are "evil"?

[Caligastia]

Just a quick post to sum up-

Any reasonable person can see the injustice of denigrating others because of something they were born with. Recognising racial differences does not go hand-in-hand with injustice. I am just as capable of loving and respecting someone from a different race as someone from my own.

To an extent I have played devil's advocate when speaking about my kinship with the white race. I believe every race has the right to advance its own interests, but these days its just not pc for the white race to do this.

I am neither proud nor ashamed to be white. After all, how is it an achievement to be born into any particular race?

[gsmoove23]

Caligastia, your second to last thread was straight out of the late 19th century, carefully sanitized of any overtly denigrating remarks aimed at any particular race to be sure. Also, your 'white' America is different from mine. I see nothing that needs preserving like some fragile piece in a set of china. I see a strong culture made up of a number of unique and valuable sub-cultures. Since your 'biological entities' are made up of individuals who can naturally mate and raise children with members of other 'biological entities' I see nothing naturally wrong with them existing in close proximity to each other and even, God forbid, mixing.

Your idea that cultures of different races have to exist separate from each other and be preserved shows a problem in understanding what exactly culture is. Plus the idea has dangerous totalitarian implications of ethnic cleansing that have played to great tragedy time and time again. How will this distance be maintained when there already is a significant amount of mixing? "We're all brothers" my a$$. I lived in the same room and shared everything with my brother.

[Caligastia]

Biologically race mixing is a good thing, but if you try to mix too much at once, the resulting cultural strife can be disasterous.

[Bereta_Eder]

On the contrary it has always been the factor that pushed civilizations to excell.

[Bereta_Eder]

Besides Caligastia you have african american genes. 80% of the anglo-world does according to the studies.


That is perhaps the source of your hatred. Self loathing.

If nothing else you should embrace it...

[Caligastia]

My hatred?

[Bereta_Eder]

Your racist hatred.