The failed party

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Sava
MtG

Thank you for your endorsement. You've confirmed I was correct in my statements.

GePap - not 20 years, and not 200. The ideology of the Greens and Libs is too fringe, and there's no particular advantage to being both centrist and independent.

Sava's the personification of what's wrong with the Democratic party - blame flag waving propaganda, those evil Republicans, a vast right-wing conspiracy, whatever, and never mind that your world view, ideology, and approach to governance is out of touch.

The Democrats should have had a field day with the economy and the latest revelations about Bush's buddy Harvey Pitt and his fun and games with William Webster's nomination.

18 years ago, Mondale undid Gary Hart with "Where's the beef?" Right now, the Democratic party has undone itself with "Where's our balls?" The touchy-feely party is afraid to offer any vision or any sense of leadership, because that's just soooo white male. Ooooh.

Hey John - were you callin' me whiny?

[JohnT]

Mtg: Read Sava's definition of evil. It's his second post, btw. I think he needs to get out of the house more, hmmmm?

Of course I'm not calling you whiny. I'm just saying that Democrats are whining, therefore Repubs. must be winning. When Repubs. whine, that means Democrats are winning. See?

[JohnT]

Btw, Pitt resigned today. But I guess everybody knows that since there isn't a thread about it.

[MichaeltheGreat]

I'm a Dem, remember?

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(OK, outpost on the far right of the Dem party Southern Dem, but still....)

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by JohnT
Btw, Pitt resigned today. But I guess everybody knows that since there isn't a thread about it.

But back in the days when the Dems were a real party, they would have had good attack ads on the economy before he got shoved off the train. They missed a prime chance to rub Pitt in Bush's face, and now it's gone.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by JohnT
Mtg: Read Sava's definition of evil. It's his second post, btw. I think he needs to get out of the house more, hmmmm?

Actually, I was thinking they need to repair the locks and make sure the bars on the windows are tight. He's been getting out unsupervised far too often lately.

[JohnT]

Yes, but you're not a whiny Dem. If the Repubs were losing, Jimmytrick and Fez would be whining, but DanS and myself would (likely) not be.

[Ming]

Well as a moderate Republican, I'm sure has heck not going to crow. While it may be looking good for the party on a national scene, the Democrats pretty much swept almost every major race in Illinois. Chicago now runs the state... probably as scarey to me as Dems feel about the federal government.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by GePap
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Originally posted by jimmytrick
However the Senate race turns out it is truely amazing that in an off year election after two years of economic turmoil the sitting President's party is holding its ground in Congress.

Has this ever happened before?




Not that i know. the last time a sitting president won seats in the house during an off year election was 1998 and Clinton, and he might have also won back some senate seat as well that year, I don't remember.

Perhaps this 'rule' of politics no longer applies.

Check 1934.

[Carver]

Originally posted by Sava
I almost want to see the Republicans push their agenda. Hopefully, America will be smart enough to see past the bullsh1t and vote them all out in 2004. But the ultra-nationalistic flag waving propaganda will probably brainwash too many people for that to happen.

But the flag waving rightwing BS (US or Confederate flag, its all good) works dang well apparently. The Republican Senate canidate in Georgia won largely because he painted the Dem, Max Cleland - a veteran triple amputee, as weak on defense. What bullsh_t.

Americans are so stupid and prejudiced...my God.

[nationalist]

Sava, you're hilarious. How much of a difference do you think there really is between the Republican and Democratic parties? Not very much. Waving the bloody shirt, huh? How many Congressional Democrats voted for the Iraqi Resolution? Us Americans think that our parties are these diametrically opposed entities representing yin and yang or whatever. In reality they are anything but. If we were in Europe, the Democrats would be called left liberal, the Republicans right liberal, they'd both be put around the center of the spectrum and would probably draw about a combined 20% of the vote, if that.

However, our system is so different from the European model that party tags don't mean all that much. Afterall, John McCain and Jesse Helms share the same party, as do Joseph Lieberman and Al Sharpton. Party label doesn't mean nearly as much as personality. Congressmen almost never vote on party lines, as they do in Europe. Your stereotypes about the parties are untrue for the large part. Get a grip. We have two large parties that are so moderate and inclusive that it is hard to get anything accomplished even if the same party controls the Presidency, the House, and the Senate. Personally, I belong to neither party, I didn't vote, and I don't really care too much who wins. I personally feel disenfranchised by our system. Both sides have almost identical messages, anyway. I just take joy in watching the Libertarians getting crushed .

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Yeah, it looks like this one is in the bag. CNN says 213 R house seats to 194 D House seats, with 218 needed for a majority and 27 undecided. The Dems need to win 22 out of those 27.
The Senate is still too close to call, Rep have 47, Dems have 46.
THis election tho wasnt a resounding victory for the right, but it loooks like they will have power. A victory nonetheless.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Carver


But the flag waving rightwing BS (US or Confederate flag, its all good) works dang well apparently. The Republican Senate canidate in Georgia won largely because he painted the Dem, Max Cleland - a veteran triple amputee, as weak on defense. What bullsh_t.

Americans are so stupid and prejudiced...my God.

You know this stuff never fails to amaze me.

People say George Bush is stupid. People say Americans are stupid. George Bush is the immensely popular leader of the most powerful nation in the world.

God forbid we get smart huh.

[DanS]

The Dems lost because they refused to take chances. I can understand why they didn't (so close...), but it was a fundamental mistake. Also, to be fair, it's hard to be challenging from the Senate (much easier from the House).

The attacks were pretty tired. Didn't have the traction that they thought they would. The GOP didn't even get hurt on social security reform.

[Ming]

The Dems are lossing because they didn't really stand for anything this election. The closest thing that you could say they stood for was "anti-Bush"... not a brilliant strategy with his current popularity.