Up to 700 people believed to be held hostage in Moscow

[DinoDoc]

muxec: You're an idiot that can not see beyond his own petty bigotry and shouldn't even be allowed near weapons now or any time in the future.

[Sonic]

Probably you were banned not because your opinion but because of your frequent insults to other people...

Anyway (not arguing to everything currently because I don't know if you will read anymore this thread. If you will I will however answer to other your arguements also)...
Sharia'h is nothing bad, it is just another law system. Like English common law or French common law. Your claim that Chechenyans were bad because they used Sharia'h is an absolute blame. Like if I would say that Russia is absolutely bad state because it uses Russian laws.

YES, I would prefer to be terrorist, nazi, have Sharia'h or even inquisition in my country, only if it would remain independent. Any independence is better than any occupation.

Russia isn't by the way actually so far from the Soviet Union as one might think.

By the way, Russian army is also very cruel in Chechenya. They killed like 200'000 Chechenyans, most of them were innocent. They tortues innocent people. I could talk on specifics more on and on but again, I will do that if you will show on this thread again.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Sonic
Probably you were banned not because your opinion but because of your frequent insults to other people...

A classic example of not reading the whole thread

[Lars-E]

It doesn't look like it now, but I think this conflict will be resolved peacefully...

[Serb]

Ming,
You are right I am terribly sorry. I fell so ashamed. I guess I become a bit paranoid with all those terrorists sneaking around.
Thank you. I knew that you are a good fellow.
I'm sorry once again and thanks that you didn't banned for DL. I've made terribly bad example for others.

Btw, are your media channels already demonstrated a video type created few days before attack on theater and where Maskhadov saying that they decided to change their tactic to offence and soon they will launch unique operation. Also terrorists inside the building admitted that they commanded by Maskhadov and Basyev.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Sonic
Probably you were banned not because your opinion but because of your frequent insults to other people...

Anyway (not arguing to everything currently because I don't know if you will read anymore this thread. If you will I will however answer to other your arguements also)...

I will not disscus this anymore. Fate of hostages deserves more attention in this tread then your silly attempts to justify terrorist who commited one of the most terrible terroristic act in human history. And left your excuses for yourself.

Sharia'h is nothing bad, it is just another law system. Like English common law or French common law. Your claim that Chechenyans were bad because they used Sharia'h is an absolute blame. Like if I would say that Russia is absolutely bad state because it uses Russian laws.

If we talk about the same codex of law, then I see now (and it proves once again who are you, you know this word) and I guess everyone what kind of guy you are.
Let’s see: women treated like crap; cut off of criminal’s hand for theft; death sentence for homosexuality; slavery is OK; any means to gain money for holy war (including cut off fingers of hostages to send it to their relatives) is OK; etc. Sure from point of view of guy that thinks that Hitler was a nice fellow there is nothing bad in such codex of laws.

YES, I would prefer to be terrorist, nazi, have Sharia'h or even inquisition in my country, only if it would remain independent. Any independence is better than any occupation.

Do you have any idea that after Vahhabites established their "state" in Chechnya, more Chechens refugees has run away from there to Russia, then during both time when active millitary actions had place there?
I guess it's answer your question. You have terrible complex. A complex of enslaved country and you will try to justify any bandit who would telling you stories about occupation.

Russia isn't by the way actually so far from the Soviet Union as one might think.

Your country is pretty close to nazi Germany as one might think. Feel better now?

By the way, Russian army is also very cruel in Chechenya. They killed like 200'000 Chechenyans, most of them were innocent. They tortues innocent people. I could talk on specifics more on and on but again, I will do that if you will show on this thread again.

You mess the sides that did this. Those freedom fighters killed about 200 000 non-Chechens. One of the reasons why Russian forces engaged in Chechnya in the first time was genocide against non-Chechen population. What do you think we should have did- just seat and watch how they cut throats (this is not metaphor, but just their favorite mean of murder) to non-Chechen civilians?
Case is closed I'm going to watch news.
EDITED: Grammar errors.

[Serb]

Originally posted by muxec
The only way of stopping civilian support is ... killing civilians. In war, when they kill us, civilians, we must do the same. Russia must say to terrorist who captured 700 hostages, that for each killed hostage 100 Chechnyan civilians will be killed. And Israel must say that we’ll burn Palestinian village for each explosion, and USA must strike Iraq.

This is not a method. This is the good way to destroy all humans on this planet. Violence born violence this war will last forever until all humans will be destroyed.
Also I would like to notice that not all Muslims support them. In fact in majority of Russian Mosques Muslims are praying now for release of hostages. I live in city which have a lot of Mosques (it's on south of Siberia and almost in Asia), Catholic Churches (we have a large German community here) and Orthodox Churches and lesser number of other Churches. And there is no hatred or conflicts between us and never were.
Most of Muslims in Russia don't consider those terrorists a Muslims. They admit it again and again. However I'm afraid that this event it Moscow could have very bad consequences if it will end badly. I'm really afraid of this. And sure it was one of their goals to spread nationalistic and religious hatred among population of Russia. Remember? They released most of the people from Caucasus during first hour. It's clearly that it was a provocation.

The second fact is related to those countries who think “we are invincible”. Countries like France, Scandinavian countries, and some other countries, who never suffered from terror, think that Arabs will never strike them. It is wrong.

With this however I can agree. There are no invincible countries anymore. No one could guaranty that next disaster wouldn't happen near your house. There is no way to stay away from this and being sure that you are in safety. Global terrorism is new phenomenon. If terrorists from all around the world united, the only way to stop them is to unite all countries in war against them. There is no another way.

[Serb]

“Izvestia” has information that one of the hostages said that terrorists has only three days to complete their mission he said that tomorrow morning terrorists could start execution of hostages. Representative of FSB Sergei Ignatchenko said that it’s possible.

I guess you already know this. Terrorists return phones to hostages and demanded that they called to their relatives and convince them to launch an anti-war meeting, otherwise terrorists threaded to kill hostages. I guess relatives have no choice.

[Serb]

There more people inside theater then were said before. The fate of at least 30 children is still unknown. In moment of terrorist attack a class of Irish dance had repetition in one of the theater’s classes. At least one girl released today is member of this dance class.

[muxec]

So why Crimea can not be independent? They want to. But why World community say that Russia occupy Chechnya. It's their territory. When they knew that any attempt of terror will be unsuccessful (as in Stalin's time) they were silent.

[Zero]

They released some children today (7 or so)

It's weird that terrorists often given in "too much" to authorities when in actuality they have alot more control then they think they have. If your gonna hold some people hostage, at least do it right...

[Zero]

Originally posted by DanS
"The only way of stopping civilian support is ... killing civilians. In war, when they kill us, civilians, we must do the same. Russia must say to terrorist who captured 700 hostages, that for each killed hostage 100 Chechnyan civilians will be killed. And Israel must say that we’ll burn Palestinian village for each explosion, and USA must strike Iraq."

In my opinion, this line of thought is monstrous.

monstrous or not, people do it cause they think it works. Otherwise they wouldnt

PS I think its monstrous too.

[Sonic]

OK, so let's drop the terrorist discution then.

However, one more thing about Sharia'h - who says that laws we have are right? Who can say what is right and what is not? Probably like after 100 years there will be no jails and people will call our culture very bad because we had jails (some people might call that psychological tortue). Probably after 100 years there will be no zoos or circuses and such things would be banned because of "bad treatment of animals". But would that indicate that our current laws are very bad and cruel? No, because we live with laws we like. In middle ages for example, people actually attended into auto-da-fes and looked the "heretics" burning. We could call that bad, but again, who are we to say so? In Roman Empire men had to keep balance between men and women in sex (50% of sex had to be homosexual). Is this also bad? Answer to both questions in no. Everybody in each country and time has to live under laws they want. The only power to decide what is good and what is bad is the people of that country. The only bad laws are laws people disagrees with. Remember, there are no good or bad countries, there are just different cultures.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Sonic
OK, so let's drop the terrorist discution then.

However, one more thing about Sharia'h - who says that laws we have are right? Who can say what is right and what is not? Probably like after 100 years there will be no jails and people will call our culture very bad because we had jails (some people might call that psychological tortue). Probably after 100 years there will be no zoos or circuses and such things would be banned because of "bad treatment of animals". But would that indicate that our current laws are very bad and cruel? No, because we live with laws we like. In middle ages for example, people actually attended into auto-da-fes and looked the "heretics" burning. We could call that bad, but again, who are we to say so? In Roman Empire men had to keep balance between men and women in sex (50% of sex had to be homosexual). Is this also bad? Answer to both questions in no. Everybody in each country and time has to live under laws they want. The only power to decide what is good and what is bad is the people of that country. The only bad laws are laws people disagrees with. Remember, there are no good or bad countries, there are just different cultures.

my feelings exactly... It is almost impossible to reason that something stands as absolute right. It seems to me right is always a subjective thing as opposed to an objective.

we may know some laws established now to be morally wrong. So law is definitely not a representative of what we view as right and wrong. But that can also go as far as challenging what we believe right and wrong to necessarily be an absolute right.

[Pekka]

I just heard on the news that the terrorists have threatened to start killings tonight?! Did I hear wrong? I hope so I heard wrong.