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  • #106
    Originally posted by LDiCesare
    Having a two-level competition could be a good idea, but I can't see why you would have to organize both at the same time and the same place. There already are a few cups, like FIRA, in which several countries with relatively low-level teams compete. Turning this into a wider cup and slapping some advertising could do the same job as getting a two-tier world cup...
    The problem with the second tier competition - played either in tandem with the WRC or separate - would, I suspect, be economics. As it is, they're just about giving away tickets to the pool matches next year between the minnows or between a minnow and a mid-rank team.
    " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
    "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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    • #107
      Originally posted by finbar


      They do in the qualifiers, and those who qualify meet teams of similar quality in the pool matches. The downside is that they also get smashed by the top sides.
      Perhaps if we had a "2nd division" RWC, it could double as a qualifier for the main RWC. The best teams from the 2nd division would qualify for the 1st division.
      ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
      ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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      • #108
        Damn double post! The stupid server gave me a message that there were too many guests and to try again!
        " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
        "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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        • #109
          Originally posted by Caligastia


          Perhaps if we had a "2nd division" RWC, it could double as a qualifier for the main RWC. The best teams from the 2nd division would qualify for the 1st division.
          That's how the Cricket World Cup operates.
          " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
          "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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          • #110
            Originally posted by finbar
            Damn double post! The stupid server gave me a message that there were too many guests and to try again!
            Me too, this place drives me crazy sometimes.
            ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
            ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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            • #111
              Originally posted by Andydog
              Cheers Tamerlin!
              I had the pleasure of spending two weeks in the south of your beautiful country not long ago - a bunch of us cruised the canals around the Buzet and Bordeaux regions. The food was fantastic, the wine was fantastic, and the people were fantastic - most of whom seemed to be rugby mad!
              Sometimes I feel very lucky to live in Southern France.

              Toulouse is less than an hour away from Buzet (sixty kilometers away from Toulouse you also find the Gaillac's Vineyards which happens to be France Oldest one, wines coming from Gaillac were served at the kings' table), the South-western part of France is exceptionally reach at several levels : culture, history and Rugby. In a one hundred kilometers radius from Toulouse you can find the "Castres Olympique", The "Sporting Union Agenais", Montauban, Colomiers and of course my dear old "Stade Toulousain", five of the sixteen clubs playing in the French Top 16. Biarritz, Pau, Bègles, Béziers, Narbonne and Perpignan, six of the other sixteen ones, are not far away. I love this place...


              About Bernard Lapasset and the "fury" of the French Federation, I suppose this is a clumsy attempt to somehow discredit the English Union in order to grab some votes for the 2007 RWC. The English Union proposal has the merit to say what many think without saying it, there are very significant level differences between some nations and it is totally uninteresting to look a game where a team scores 150 points.

              Sorry, I have no time left, ARTE is broadcasting one of the masterpiece of the french cinema : "Quai des Orfèvres".
              "Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill

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              • #112
                Originally posted by Tamerlin
                Sometimes I feel very lucky to live in Southern France.

                I love this place...
                No need to rub it in!

                Sorry, I have no time left, ARTE is broadcasting one of the masterpiece of the french cinema : "Quai des Orfèvres".
                Don't know it. How does it translate? "Quay" or "Platform"? "Goldsmiths" or "Silversmiths"?
                " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                • #113
                  Originally posted by finbar
                  No need to rub it in!


                  Don't know it. How does it translate? "Quay" or "Platform"? "Goldsmiths" or "Silversmiths"?
                  I think we can translate it as "Quay of the Goldsmiths", not pier but quay because this is the name of a place neer the river Seine in Paris. Actually the title shouldn't be translated at all as it refers to the "36, Quai des Orfèvres" which is, at least was, the address of the Police Headquarters (a bit like the address of New Scotland Yard in London).

                  "Quai des Orfèvres" is a Henri-Georges Clouzot "police story" movie realized in 1947 with Louis Jouvet and Bernard Blier, two great actors of the post-war era. A real gem...
                  Last edited by Tamerlin; October 24, 2002, 06:24.
                  "Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill

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                  • #114
                    I just saw the potential for some internal NH argy bargy, that's all.
                    Ah – then what you want is for us to table a joint bid with one of the other home nations.

                    We generally get on very well with France in rugby terms – it’s actually the Scots and Welsh we have most argy-bargy with, and generally over them trying to gain a bigger slice of the TV revenue our presence creates for the games against them.

                    Q.E.D.
                    Picked it like a ripe apple, as ever.

                    You've read more than one of Havak's posts too, huh?
                    You have the wrong person here. I am always right.

                    I can't see why you would have to organize both at the same time and the same place
                    It’s going to be at least partially down to player release I suspect. A lot of minor nation players ply their trade in the top eight countries. Their clubs are really going to want consistency in the timing of releasing players for international duty?

                    I would like to see an annual competition between teams at that level.
                    Yes this idea has great merit I agree.

                    Wine and rugby...trust the French to come up with that one.
                    They added a little style to the earlier British concoction of Beer and Rugby I would agree.

                    No need to rub it in!
                    On which note it may be worth my saying it is six weeks to my long weekend for the Bezier match
                    It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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                    • #115
                      Originally posted by Havak


                      Ah – then what you want is for us to table a joint bid with one of the other home nations.
                      I'm just emailing the Welsh RU as we speak. I'm letting them know the English RU is desperate to put together a joint bid with the Welsh taking 80% of the profits.

                      It’s going to be at least partially down to player release I suspect. A lot of minor nation players ply their trade in the top eight countries. Their clubs are really going to want consistency in the timing of releasing players for international duty?
                      The real problem with the English bid is the attempt to move the event to earlier in the year to satisfy their damn clubs. The SH won't wear that in a fit.

                      On which note it may be worth my saying it is six weeks to my long weekend for the Bezier match


                      Edit. I was even angrier than that until the server wouldn't let me include so many angrys.
                      " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                      "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                      • #116
                        You have no idea how right you are - the WRU would keep 80% of the cash - and grass roots and clubs would see nowt. The WRU is the most top heavy and archaic Union in the UK.

                        Well the World cup has traditionally always been played at the end of the SH season. Now we want it at the end of ours. Hardly unfair? And at the end of the day the SH will do what the hosts tell them I suspect anyway. The financial reality is they cannot walk away from any RWC?

                        Plus finally - I can't help where I live. Southern France is easier for me to reach than Brisbane is for you after all.
                        It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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                        • #117
                          Well lets face it, when it come to the RWC, the NH teams need all the help they can get.
                          ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                          ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                          • #118
                            Originally posted by Havak
                            Well the World cup has traditionally always been played at the end of the SH season. Now we want it at the end of ours. Hardly unfair? And at the end of the day the SH will do what the hosts tell them I suspect anyway. The financial reality is they cannot walk away from any RWC?
                            Ultimately, it will come down to an IRB vote.

                            Plus finally - I can't help where I live. Southern France is easier for me to reach than Brisbane is for you after all.
                            x 1,000,000,000!
                            " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                            "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                            • #119
                              Originally posted by Caligastia
                              Well lets face it, when it come to the RWC, the NH teams need all the help they can get.


                              BTW, which bastard keeps knocking our thread down from five stars?
                              " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                              "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                              • #120
                                Originally posted by finbar




                                BTW, which bastard keeps knocking our thread down from five stars?
                                I was wondering the same thing.

                                I voted 5 stars already, so if anyone else hasnt, go ahead and lets gets this thread back to the rating it deserves!
                                ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                                ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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