It is done...Dutch right wing governement collapses

[Hueij]

Kezen

That's how you call us?

[Saint Marcus]

Then we must vote for the Vlaams Blok? They are the only party that wants that Flanders joins the Netherlands

they want that for real? sweet

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus they want that for real? sweet

Not. I like Belgium to stay Belgium. We need a country that has qualities we can look up to. Belgium !

[DeepO]

Hmmm... kolpo, you might have a point there. Indeed, most 'educated' people would still go voting, while certain groups wouldn't. Still, it seems a strange move: forcing people to vote to keep it democratic.

Kezen: I thought that was the term you guys liked to hear, it is in no way offending (or at least not intended like that). The Netherlands is a milk-and-cheese country, even if there are more Belgian cheeses

DeepO

[Hueij]

Kezen: I thought that was the term you guys liked to hear, it is in no way offending (or at least not intended like that). The Netherlands is a milk-and-cheese country, even if there are more Belgian cheeses

Ah, I thought you meant the name "Kees". When it comes to cheese we proudly use the "geuzennaam*" "Kaaskoppen"

* Another reason why we should be allowed to talk Dutch in threads like this

[germanos]

Originally posted by kolpo
Then we must vote for the Vlaams Blok? They are the only party that wants that Flanders joins the Netherlands(and Walon France).

I don't beleive you. Please post a link or other proof that the Vlaams Blok wants to abandon Vlaanderen in favor of a Union with Holland.

It is not called the Dutch Block...

[germanos]

Originally posted by Hueij

...or in any sense extreme-right.

Oh? I seem to recall a certain remark by Saint Pim about a certain "backward" religion. Fairly extreme in my book.

Hueij, we already discussed the SGP.

BTW: Most of what Fortuyn daid was crap, but his remarks about the pathetic state the Islamic world is in are one of the few that were right on Target.
I disagree with you that many voted for the LPF because they found a podium for their xenophobic views. If so, they have had plenty of opportunaty with the CP/CD.
If their vote was a protest vote related to the immigration in Holland, it was because 'political correctness' obliges everyone to keep their mouth shuit on anything bad immigration or immigrants might bring. It is OK to call everything non-foreign backward, but it is not to say so about Islam.
Islam, as well as various other religions, preach various points that are in direct conflict with the Dutch constitution, and one may well argue they are in direct conflict with basic human rights.

I guess it depends on your personal view to our constitution wether you consider the religions or the constitution backward.

[Hueij]

...with the CP/CD

We were lucky that the CD had a clown like Janmmaat for its leader. Saint Pim however was someone else...

[Saint Marcus]

We need a country that has qualities we can look up to

True. But no dutchman looks up to Belgium.

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


True. But no dutchman looks up to Belgium.

I do

[Saint Marcus]

I do

You're just weird then

I live right on the border of Holland and Belgium, and my sister even lives in Belgium, so I know a good deal about both countries. Though there are a number of things that are better in Belgium than in Holland (gasoline prices, metropolis movie theather in antwerp, number of rooms available for students, etc), just on average (if you take everything into account), we're the bigger, better and richer brother.

[Maniac]

Kolpo, well said about stemplicht! It's the biggest reason why I'm in favour of the duty to vote, as I vote left.

Still, it seems a strange move: forcing people to vote to keep it democratic.

Life is full of paradoxes. Sometimes you need to do the opposite of what you want to reach to reach it.

Then we must vote for the Vlaams Blok? They are the only party that wants that Flanders joins the Netherlands

Are you sure they don't want the Netherlands to join Flanders?

[Maniac]

we're the bigger, better and richer brother

No you aren't according to the Human Development Index.

http://www.undp.org/hdr2001/hdi.pdf

[DeepO]

yeah... and this is taking Belgium as one piece. I heared on the news last week (I wanted to find it online, but couldn't) that Flanders is now considered to be the richest region in the world... not number 5, but number 1. But politically speaking? I don't know which country I'd prefer.

DeepO

[germanos]

Originally posted by DeepO
Flanders is now considered to be the richest region in the world...
DeepO

you don't seriously beleive that do you?