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**DinoDoc** · October 17, 2002, 17:34

Originally posted by germanos
I have no idea why DinoDoc wants this so bad, but he may well get what he wants.

1) The nickname Hueij gave the country ("Little Italy") fits too well at the moment.

2) I'd like to have a bit of fun with SM.

**Zopperoni** · October 17, 2002, 17:41

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
what about all the finnish threads?

They get to stay, because they were the first

**germanos** · October 17, 2002, 17:43

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Not too fast...the VVD is mainly concerned with economic policies, and not these controversial topics. Also, if the VVD says no to the CU, the CDA might look to the PvdA as a coalition party (if the VVD and CDA don't get enough seats). And besides the CU, there's not party that may join a VVD+CDA coalition. The others are too unstable, inexperienced or leftist.

Oh no...

The VVD might be tired of the PvdA now, but they have been very happy that in the last two terms (previous to this mess) they have been able to settle a lot of issues that have been blocked by the CDA previously, and they are exactly the issues the CU hates most: Liberal laws on personal issues: abortion, euthanasia, marriage possible for homosexuals etc.
The fact they have a liberal agenda to economics as well doesn't mean they are not strong advocates for personal freedom, and they will NEVER give that up. They know very well personal freedom is an imperative for economic prosperity.

**Hueij** · October 17, 2002, 17:47

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
are other languages illegal here on poly? what about all the finnish threads?

Read all about it in the Community forum. You should have known Apolyton is NOT a democracy...

Originally posted by Ming
Good advice...

Why, thanks Ming

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Originally posted by Saint Marcus 1) The nickname Hueij gave the country ("Little Italy") fits too well at the moment.

DD, please do never, I repeat NEVER, agree with me. It's embarressing...

**Saint Marcus** · October 17, 2002, 17:49

They get to stay, because they were the first

bull****. that's just discrimination.

**Hueij** · October 17, 2002, 17:51

Apolyton Civilization Site

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64799

**Ming** · October 17, 2002, 17:54

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
bull****. that's just discrimination.

Nope... just the rules... deal with it. You agreed to follow the rules of this site when you became a member.
If you don't like it... post somewhere else. Your choice.

And if you continue this discussion here, this thread will be closed/deleted for spam... So get back on topic... and stay in English

**Saint Marcus** · October 17, 2002, 17:58

Ming:

Anyway, what do ya'll think of the fuss the LPF is making over this one ("we're being set up, jada jada")

**germanos** · October 17, 2002, 18:09

Originally posted by CyberShy
I disrespect Rosenmuller very much. He always stands against the monarchy, but right now he makes an elecoral issue about Claus' burial and the cabinet crisis. He has a point, but he goes to far with it.

The whole Claus thing is yet an example of how outdated and onnoying it is we still have a Monarch as head of State.
No doubt the Dutch posters here are aware that the crisis in the LPF (which led to the downfall of this cabinet) was in full swing the weekend Claus died. That was 12 days ago. I have found it appaling that for a full 10 days

ALL meetings in parliament were scrapped, and thus governing this country came to a halt.

And see what mess it has brought.

I feel sorry for the Queen, but I don't feel that the passing away of the spouse of the head of state is reason to stop parlement from functioning properly. Especially not in times of great crisis.

The message of the events of the last two weeks should be:
Get responsible, hold up your own pants, and take responsability for your society and your government. Don't look up to saviors, may they be Queen, Prince or Fortunists.

It is us that will have to create and maintain wellbeing. Get that Republic moving

**Robert** · October 17, 2002, 19:19

A. Groenlinks isn't a strong oposer of the Monarchy, that's the SP and D66.

my mistake, but you're right on this one.

B. Disrespect Rosenmuller? why? he's one of the best guys we have in politics. and he was the only one who beat Pim Fortuyn in a direct debate. The only one.

Rosenmuller has a big mouth, but his words are empty. Everything he accused Pim Fortuyn of, are his trademarks. The 'beating Pim in a direct debate' thing you refer to is the perfect example of it. a VERY personal argument, not even in place (Fortuyn was very on topic, and made good arguments) while Rosenmuller was the one who made a show, while he accused Fortuyn of it.

Easy winning, with personal argumentations.

C. the argument about Claus burial goes for all oposition parties, not just Rosenmuller. And besides, he was absolutely right. It's awfull that the governement talked about these issues on the day Claus got buried.

Like I said: He got a point. It was not very good to meet on that day. (eventhough I can see that some things are unable to avoid)

But Rosenmuller makes a political issue about it, trying to work on the emotions of the electoral. (electoraat? ) (that's one of the words I can't translate)

And I blame him for that. He tries to win votes over Claus' dead body. I'm sorry, but that's the way I see it.

D. green-liars? why? cause of Singh Varma? that's a bit cheap, I can point out lots of politicians who pulled all sorts of crap.

No, not because of Singh Varma, but because of the short-sighted pro-green beleid he wants to execute.

**Robert** · October 17, 2002, 19:23

Ming: Can you please keep that discussion on the poly forum, instead of hijacking this thread with it???? No reason to repeat your words when other people already linked to the right thread. The "Good advice" post was really unnescecary as well, I concider it to be spam and threadjacking. One more of these unacceptable behaviors and I will have to report you.

About LPF: They're really crazy! They want to ruin the country! The sooner the elections are, the better!

About the CU,
I think that when the CU will participate in the governament, they will be like the CDA, and agree on much of these topics because they will se that it's impossible to keep up those things against the majority.

CU = CDA, but the CDA takes governamental responsibilities while CU is more in the opposition.

It's like with the PvdA and the SP.

**Ming** · October 17, 2002, 19:26

Originally posted by CyberShy
Ming: Can you please keep that discussion on the poly forum, instead of hijacking this thread with it???? No reason to repeat your words when other people already linked to the right thread. The "Good advice" post was really unnescecary as well, I concider it to be spam and threadjacking. One more of these unacceptable behaviors and I will have to report you.

Gee... funny that you should bring it up 30 minutes after I stopped... talk about hijacking... And if you keep bringing it up... this thread will be toast because of YOUR unacceptable behaviors

**Robert** · October 17, 2002, 19:31

Gee... funny that you should bring it up 30 minutes after I stopped... talk about hijacking... And if you keep bringing it up... this thread will be toast because of YOUR unacceptable behaviors

I didn't read it up to that moment

Now you even react childish.

This is a spam post again, it's off topic.
I asked you kindly, but I will report. Why Ming Why do you always want to be right? And why do you always want to show your powers off? "this thread will be toast because of YOUR unacceptable behaviors"

Now move this discussion to the right place, into the on topic forum. I didn't start it overthere for no reason. I did that to avoid threadjacking and spamming in this thread. And now see what happens........ YOU are the one who continues the discussion in here

sure you will close this thread now.

Just say "I'm sorry, let's continue the discussion on the right place" and all will be fine.

But no, mr Ming wants to show off again

**Ming** · October 17, 2002, 19:35

As long as you stay on topic... the thread remains open... if you want to continue trying to insult me... You are the one that keeps brining it up... not me

**Saint Marcus** · October 17, 2002, 19:54

No, not because of Singh Varma, but because of the short-sighted pro-green beleid he wants to execute.

clarify

presumable there comes a giancarlo-esque argument on how bad leftwing/green policies are for a country, jada jada. If that's your argument, then why do you like the SP better? Their plans are way "worse" than those of GL. Did you read the SP alternative budget?

Furthermore, if greens are so bad, then why are they doing so well in Germany?

CU = CDA, but the CDA takes governamental responsibilities while CU is more in the opposition.

It's like with the PvdA and the SP.

awfully short sighted. just because the PvdA and SP are both leftwing doesn't mean they are similar. Same with the CDA and CU. Did you even bother to read the SP and PvdA programs? They hardly agree on anything, so how similar can they be? The VVD is closer to the PvdA than the SP is!! And your comment on the CU is absurd too. Don't you know about their plans to turn back a good number of laws?

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