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I remember what is was like after the 11th. It was really scary for the first couple days. I am sorry this happened to people who truly were innocent. Its a bad feeling to know somebody out there would kill you on the spot cuz of your skin color, religon or way of life
Uh that looks like war. And the reports are making my opinion stronger, that it was intetional to hurt foreigners, western youngsters on their holiday. There's no word to desribe these pukes.
In da butt.
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Here's some eye witness accounts. The only equivalent I can think of is the car big bombings in Norther Ireland, some of the bombings in Israel.
People were burning, dying. It was an inferno'
By Philip Cornford, Brigid Delaney, Elisabeth Sexton and agencies
October 14 2002
Both nightclubs were bursting at the seams. Hot, sweaty, noisy, they pulsated with a frantic life force. Mostly, they were young, single Australians on the make, in beautiful and sensuous Bali for a blowout.
None of the patrons blasting Saturday night into oblivion at the Sari or Paddy's Irish Pub, the two most popular nightspots along the raunchy Jalan Legian, could have had a hint of the disaster about to befall them.
This was Kuta, playground of Denpasar, a place where the excesses were alcoholic and sexual and entirely permitted.
At Sari's, aka SCs, the most popular drink was the local Bintang beer, served in huge bongs. With a high thatched roof which let in the rain, it had an uneasy Balinese touch, out of step with the modern beat. It also had the distinction of refusing entry to locals.
Paddy's was directly across the JL Legian, the city's busiest entertainment strip, lined with bars and clubs and small shops catering to tourists. A two-storey structure described as a "cross between a Gilligan's Island hut and a Smurf village house", it showcased bottle-juggling bartenders, a classic rock band downstairs and techno groove in the huge upstairs room.
After 11 on Saturday night, both bars were full to bursting. Among drinkers at the Sari Club were Australian Rules football teams from Melbourne, Geelong, Perth and Adelaide on season-end trips.
Twenty-five players from the Platypi Rugby Union club from Forbes in western NSW had arrived in Bali only eight hours earlier, checked into their hotel and gone straight to the famous bar.
"I reckon the place had 300 people in there and probably 250 were Australians," said Simon Quayle, coach of the Kingsley Football Club in Perth, who was there with 19 fellow members. Twenty players from Sturt Football club in Adelaide were also in the bar.
Patrons coming late were unable to get in. They were the lucky ones.
About 11.20am, a car parked outside Paddy's exploded, blowing up in the front of the bar. A few moments later, a second blast, described as much bigger, tore open Sari's.
This explosion blasted a hole in the street a metre deep and 10 metres across. Police believe that it, too, was a car bomb. It cracked the walls of buildings several kilometres away. Debris was hurled further afield. Cars and moped taxis burst into flames.
Footballers from the Melbourne Demons were walking along JL Legian. The club manager, Danny Corcoran, said: "A huge explosion blew them off their feet." None of the 20 players was injured.
Fireballs exploded into Sari's and Paddy's. "Sari's went up in a millisecond," said Simon Quayle. "I can't believe I'm alive. Eight of our boys are missing."
Blair Robertson, 23, of Port Fairy on the Victorian west coast, said: "There was a massive explosion ... from the front of the club. It was the biggest bang you can handle."
The patrons nearest the front doors of both bars died instantly, incinerated. Others were saved by the sheer density of the crowd. But no one escaped that fierce blast of flame. It seared eyes, flesh.
Mr Robertson and four friends were at the rear of Sari's. He had arrived that day, and they had been in the bar for 20 minutes.
"We had a little bit of space. It was pretty crowded and a lot of people who died would have been in the front of the nightclub," he said. "I was facing the front of the nightclub. I saw all the television screens around the bar explode. I saw heaps of people burning and dying around me. It was an inferno. I saw one guy whose leg had been blown open - he couldn't walk - he was just lying there screaming. I saw another man with severe facial burns - it was hard to tell if he was dead or alive. There was so much screaming."
Mr Quayle told ABC radio: "It was like a bloody war movie. One bloke ... looked like a bit of wood, that's how burnt he was. A few of us helped this German lady out. She had no clothes on ... maybe it was burning and she ripped them off. You just think about it and you break into tears."
Then, in both bars, the roofs fell in, a fiery rain of debris. Those who were still alive were trapped. In the panic, smoke, pain and heat, there was no obvious escape. For those who got out, life was a miracle. Most suffered excruciating burns and injuries.
Mr Robertson and his mates dived under a table. "The second storey [internal roof] collapsed on us. There were lots of people yelling and screaming."
Flames blocked all exits. Mr Robertson said about 60 patrons rushed an internal stair case leading onto the external roof.
"People kept tripping over. I couldn't pay too much attention to what was going on because I was looking out for my friends - I was really worried that we would get separated - so I kept making sure that we were all together."
David Hodder, one of the 25 Platypi rugby club players who were in Sari's, said: "The second blast knocked everyone to the ground. When I came to, the roof was down, with flames flying out of it, and people running over me."
Mr Hodder and his mates scaled a 3-metre wall to get out. "We just tried to get as many people out as we could before it was too late. They didn't all make it."
Three of his mates didn't get out. Four who did were badly burnt with blistered arms, legs, backs and necks.
Those who climbed to Sari's external roof faced a new trial. Mr Robertson and his friends leapt off the roof of the nightclub onto an adjoining building, but found the tiles were burning and slipping off. "We jumped from one building roof to another
. The nightclub collapsed five minutes later. Eventually we landed on a balcony, climbed into a room, then took the stairs onto the street. Outside there were just people lined up on the side of the road covered in blood. It was horrific. I haven't slept since. I can't."
A British tourist, Matt Noyce, was in Sari's when the bomb went off. "Outside it was awful, it was like a scene you'd see from Vietnam. There were bodies everywhere."
A French photographer, Cyril Terrien, said he had "never seen such an appalling thing. There are charred and mangled bodies everywhere, it is unbelievable," he told the BBC.
The conflagration spread rapidly to adjoining buildings. Twenty-seven were destroyed. Shopkeepers and their families were incinerated.
West Australians Fiona Lewis, 44, and her partner, Kevin Upton, 34, were in a nearby lane.
"No one got out the front of either club," said Ms Lewis. "We ran down to help, but there were so many people in the street, burned, injured or dead. One woman had lost the whole bottom half of her body. A man was crawling up the lane. He had no feet."
Richard Poore, a 37-year-old New Zealander who works in television, started to film the scene.
"I saw limbs lying on the ground. I got to the stage where I couldn't film any more because it made me feel physically ill. I've never seen anything like it in 12 years of reporting."
Inside the White Rose Hotel, Sydneysiders Marion Houghton, 43, from Little Bay, and her sister, Gail McCarthy, nursed the victims. "They were in agony. We got mattresses and wrapped them in wet sheets and blankets. The burns were so bad we were afraid to touch them. There were two Australians ... both in dreadful condition."
With the street ablaze, ambulances could not get to the White Rose until a rear wall was knocked down. It took three hours. "How they suffered," Ms Houghton said.
A police officer said: "It's difficult to identify people because they have been completely charred."
A Canadian who lives in Bali, Howard Klein, said: "There are bodies actually still piled up here waiting to be taken away, there was a lot of damage, a lot of people hurt."
The morning after, Australians began the heartbreaking search for the missing.
Simon Quayle was looking for eight missing mates. Back in Perth, his wife, Narelle, said families of the travelling footballers were waiting anxiously for more news.
"Simon said to me it's just so emotional, the boys that are together are just together and they're obviously consoling one another and doing whatever they have to do to get through it," she said. "But he said to me they came as a team and they're going to leave as a team and they're not going to leave until they at least know what's happened and where the other boys are."
I wonder if the missing Australians aren't those Australian tourists on Bali who haven't yet checked in with the consulate. How many people could have been in just two nightclubs?
"I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!
I am so sorry this happened, AH. If you may, please list some Australian organizations that are set up to help these victims so that we can contribute.
Didn't the US gov't warn Australia that there was a strong likelihood of a terrorist attack against Australian citizens a few days ago? Seems that I heard something to that effect on NPR Friday night.
This is just too sad for all those tourists. Reminds me (slightly) of that attack on the pyramids tourists a few years back, though that was on a smaller scale, IIRC.
I was seriously considering Bali as a place to get married in late May 2003. I think this has shifted my focus to places closer to the US.
I just couldn't put my fiance in such a situation. I wouldn't care if it was me, I've been to more dangerous places while traveling alone (Sri lanka, Pakistan), but to put a loved one in danger, no way.
Originally posted by JohnT
A lot, Dr. Strangelove.
I am so sorry this happened, AH. If you may, please list some Australian organizations that are set up to help these victims so that we can contribute.
Didn't the US gov't warn Australia that there was a strong likelihood of a terrorist attack against Australian citizens a few days ago? Seems that I heard something to that effect on NPR Friday night.
Regardless, my condolences.
The Red Cross and Salvation Army have been doing a lot of the work both on the scene and for the victims and their families, and as always need contributions to help not only there, but elsewhere in the world to. Money to these sorts of organisations (and Amnesty too) is always better then focusing on organisations based on one particular event (I feel all warm and fuzzy inside now ), whats more, the Red Cross and Salvation Army will probably do 2x more then any organisation created after this for the victims and their family.
As for the warning, the USA did warn us of potential terrorist attacks, but said they were most likely to go after Australian interests and particularly energy (power stations, etc.). I expect the government was fearful for our oil production (it’s not very widely known, but Australia is self sufficient in its oil production, and yet petrol still costs a fortune). I don’t think anyone had expected an attack on Indonesia which was aimed primarily at westerners, with a large toll of Australians (as it appears currently anyway), and it’s also a little difficult to protect someone else’s country (which when you think about it makes it a perfect target for such attacks).
Originally posted by asleepathewheel
This is just too sad for all those tourists. Reminds me (slightly) of that attack on the pyramids tourists a few years back, though that was on a smaller scale, IIRC.
I was seriously considering Bali as a place to get married in late May 2003. I think this has shifted my focus to places closer to the US.
I just couldn't put my fiance in such a situation. I wouldn't care if it was me, I've been to more dangerous places while traveling alone (Sri lanka, Pakistan), but to put a loved one in danger, no way.
Come to Australia
Sure, we are not Bali, but we got some pretty neat stuff too . But if you’re looking for a tropical setting, most pacific islands would do the trick, you could also use one of the many places on the Great Barrier Reef (which BTW, is absolutely beautiful)
There we go, that’s my contribution to the Australian economy for the year
On a more serious note asleepathewheel has shown the detrimental effect that this will have on Bali's, and in turn, Indonesia’s tourism industry (which is pretty much Bali's economy). I think its safe to say that even if something like this never happens again, people will think twice about travelling to Bali in future (at least for a few years to come), so the tourists caught up in the blast wont be the only victims here.
Sure, we are not Bali, but we got some pretty neat stuff too . But if you’re looking for a tropical setting, most pacific islands would do the trick, you could also use one of the many places on the Great Barrier Reef (which BTW, is absolutely beautiful)
There we go, that’s my contribution to the Australian economy for the year
On a more serious note asleepathewheel has shown the detrimental effect that this will have on Bali's, and in turn, Indonesia’s tourism industry (which is pretty much Bali's economy). I think its safe to say that even if something like this never happens again, people will think twice about travelling to Bali in future (at least for a few years to come), so the tourists caught up in the blast wont be the only victims here.
May consider Australia now. Would love to see the GBR, definately.
May still consider Bali, probably will be safe for the next few months as security will be tightened.
Also, I'm sure prices will drop, as people will pull their reservations, so will make more affordable for me.
Its so sad to see such a beautiful place turned dangerous and deadly.
Just heard that this attack happened on the anniversary of the attack on the USS Cole. It certainly seems that Al Qaeda played a role in this horrible attack. I hope we hunt these bastards to the ends of the earth.
edit: Good catch, Boris. I had actually caught my error when checking on CNN.com, but I totally forgot to edit my post. That football game held my rapt attention...
Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
I wonder if the missing Australians aren't those Australian tourists on Bali who haven't yet checked in with the consulate. How many people could have been in just two nightclubs?
Well hopefully the death toll will be a lot less than feared and people will phone home. A lot would have been in shock and may not have thought of it.
One of the clubs was mentioned as holding 2 or 300 people, plus that street Jalan Legian is always packed with people at that time of night.
But let's hope for the best.
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Just heard that this attack happened on the one year anniversary of the attack on the USS Cole. It certainly seems that Al Qaeda played a role in this horrible attack. I hope we hunt these bastards to the ends of the earth.
2 years ago, not one.
And where is Eli to gloat about how the Australians and Indonesians finally understand terrorism?
I have a very bad feeling this is just the starting of a wave of bad stuff soon starting to happen. I hope I'm wrong.
In da butt.
"Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
"God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.
), whats more, the Red Cross and Salvation Army will probably do 2x more then any organisation created after this for the victims and their family.
. But if you’re looking for a tropical setting, most pacific islands would do the trick, you could also use one of the many places on the Great Barrier Reef (which BTW, is absolutely beautiful)
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