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Originally posted by Ned
paiktis, We in the US were told that Serbia was in the process of ethnically cleansing Kosovo - just as the Serbs had done earlier in Croatia and Bosnia.

Was this information untrue?

There is no evidence to suggest that Kosovo was being ethnically cleansed. Mass graves (defined in Kosovo as any grave with more than one person) are not widespread and very few have been found. Of those that have been found, cause of death and ethnic identity can not be determined. Both the FBI and the UN investigators left Kosovo saying they couldn't find any evidence of mass executions.

The mass exodus from Kosovo did not start until after the bombing campaign began. Large numbers of Albanians traveled to Serbia proper, which would tend to argue against an ethnic clenasing campaign. There was a study that said the the areas of evactuation did not match the bombing patterns, but once you look at the maps they provide, you have to really wonder how they came to that conclusion.

The major difference between Kosovo and the break-away republics is that in Kosovo it was a police and army operation and in Bosnia and Croatia it was largely irregulars (regular army did support Serbs in the early part of the revolts in Croatia). Some irregulars (Razdan Karadic?) did slip into Kosovo following the begining of the bombing campaign, but they were removed by the government.

There was an ethnic cleansing campaign in Kosovo, but it began after NATO took over the province. Nearly all non-Albanians, Serbs, Jews, Greeks, Roma (Gypsies), Romanians, etc, were chased out.

[Ned]

Well, Che, what happened is eactly what Kissinger predicted would happen, including the destabalization of Macedonia. Now NATO is there and cannot withdraw until Kosovo is declared independent or part of Albania and perhaps Macedonia subdivided along ethnic lines. Kissinger was very harsh on the whole issue of "Imperialist" intervention into ethnic conflicts. Are we sure that paiktis did not write the piece for Kissinger?

[Bereta_Eder]

Felch, you are very mediocre on picking on me. You cant even make a tiny scratch on my shiny argumentative armour. But practice makes perfect and untill you decide to keep on "fighting" you will remain just another dumb yankee

[Bereta_Eder]

Kissinger is the ultimate pragmatist and an a-moral «puhser» of US interests abroad.

He is notliked because he was the #1 person not to take into account human lives and turbulances caused by hispursuing of US interests.

In the end of the day he has caused the US much more harm than good. A large portion of antimercanism is created while he was a foreign minister.

nationalism is funny. Americans are the most ultra nationalists people there are if you only count the number of people they have killed over the years. Nationalism is a relative issue it would seem.

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Originally posted by paiktis22
Felch, you are very mediocre on picking on me.

He's dead on in his characterization of you though.

[Bereta_Eder]

Ned, Kissinger is a pragmatist who covers up his real-politik under wilsonian codes of ethics.

Take away his mock-"morals" (which he uses only to further his interests and he has a very loose and fast manipulation of what "morals" are) and you have a 100% pure realpolitik strategy.

That's what he's all about. He is also under prosecution in France and Greece amongst other countries and he is to be detained if seen anywhere inside these countries terrotories

[Bereta_Eder]

of course you'd say that dinodoc. it doesnt mean anything

[Bereta_Eder]

A funny incident involving Kissinger is that he had to escape France in the middle of the night in a private plane and be flown back to the US as he was unaware that there was a warrant for his arrest.

He is also responsible for the bloodbath in Chile and for giving the green light for the invasion in east timor. He also played a dirt role in the invasion of Cyprus.

He is not liked because there are reasons to be not liked, just like with everything. (caused the deaths of thousands and flamed up territories being not the least of those).


About Yogo, he just forsaw the vast antimaericanist wave that a US involvement would produce and counted it as worthing more than the US interests in that region.

Pragmatism again. The US is creating more and more «enemies» in very turbulent times. He was trying to minimize that to the bare essentials.

[Bereta_Eder]

Astonishingly enough he has a guilt complex against Greeks, over his role in Cyrpus.
It is well documented by top political analysts and journalists that have met him.
He fits the prototype of the anthellene not just because of his thoughts and opinions about Greece but also because of the implimentation of politics against this country. But more about that later.

[Ned]

paiktis, I think, in a way, Kissinger learned the lesson of Vietnam - we should not intervene in a local civil war or ethnic conflict absent some extraordianary reason like genocide. His article exhibits a definite fear that NATO would end up battling the KLA just like the Serbs before them. He envisioned a repeat of Vietnam where the US replaced the French battling the communists.

But this is Kissinger. The president you seem to like, Clinton, actually did intervene in Kosovo.

Am I right, you do like Clinton?

[Bereta_Eder]

Clinton was re-conciliatory and a master of rehtorics. A hell of an actor too. What I think of him is not important what the relations between US - EU were at the time of his presidency are.

He got named the butcher of the Balkans though from everybody in the region except croatians (who easily forgot their massacre of thousand of jews and serbs in the past - but hey! he helped them get their independence ) and albanian cutthroats who never stood a chance in messing up the balkans without NATO aid.


IMo Kissinger didnt "learn" he just takes under consideration that the wave of antimaericanism was never stronger and more widespread in the past. He forsaw and tried to stop this but failed since his "advices" were not followed.

[Chris 62]

Oh boy.

Wow, a man from a country where indoor toilets is a novelty is mocking the US yet again, what a surprise.

Ilithios.

[Bereta_Eder]

afou spao plaka kalo einai

[Chris 62]

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