I miss Bill

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Siskel and Ebert give 2- Term Bill:

[Stefu]

Incidentally, Fez, as for Clinton and Bush re: economy, CATO Institute sez that Clinton was more fiscally conservative than Bush.

Maybe Fez has just become a liberal.

[Urban Ranger]

Yeah, we're talking about the Cato Institute here.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
oh grow up giancarlo. you do not equal the world. if you look at Clinton's popularity ratings in, for instance, Europe you'd see that people like him a lot better than Bush.

Then you elect him.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Yeah, really, with all that Hollywood tail going though the White House you'd think the Pres could have gotten a quality mistress. I mean, JFK had Monroe ferchissake. The most powerful man in the world has a an example to set by banging the most beautiful women in the world.

To some extent I agree. I don't care about Clinton's marriage, or whether it satisfied him personally, or what he did about it. But knocking off a very young employee is morally and legally wrong. He personally ended the careers of numerous military men (and a woman or two) for doing the exact same thing. This is where his leadership was an abject failure. (Well there and a visionless foreign policy)

The reason he had to testify in the first place was that he had hit on his employees in the past, and was being sued by one of them. With all of his access to gushing Hollywood actresses etc., why did he continually need to hit on women that he had undue influence over? Why not an adult woman for an adult situation? Because there was more than a little seriously wrong with him.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by monolith94
Dinodoc - the idea of Clinton in power makes me laugh with delight and giggle like a schoolgirl with a harry potter broom as well.

I thought everything made you do that.

Originally posted by monolith94

On the other hand, the current Republican government has no such scruples, considering the fact that they're a bunch of money grubbing cnical old bastards, hence, the patriot act and other such legislative garbage which is slowly but surely eating away at our constitutional freedoms.

Errr.. Explain again how curtainling freedom makes them rich.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man


Fool or not , Bill would have wiped the floor with MiniBush, had he been permitted to run again. Just like Bill did with the old Bush!

Clinton would have lost the election against GB senior if it weren't for the fact that that pair of ears from Texas was also in the race. In any event it was a closer race than "wiping the floor" would indicate.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Sikander
He personally ended the careers of numerous military men (and a woman or two) for doing the exact same thing.

Thats standard US military policy. I am not thrilled with it but the military likes it. Some of it has to do with real issues of rank which is not the case with Monica. She did not have career on the line since she was an intern. That may be why Clinton thought she was safe.

The reason he had to testify in the first place was that he had hit on his employees in the past, and was being sued by one of them.

Who's lawyers fees were being paid for by people that had been after Clinton since before he was elected. She didn't start the suit over his actions either. She started the suit because someone wrote about the rumors and she felt humiliated. Her name wasn't used in the article only she brought her name into it.

With all of his access to gushing Hollywood actresses etc., why did he continually need to hit on women that he had undue influence over?

People usually want what they see not what they don't. She made sure he saw. Hollywood actresses are kind of prominent. Not that easy to do these days. This is not the Kennedy era when the reporters keep their mouths shut about the President's private life. Even in the Kennedy/Monroe case the evidence for it is tenuous and it appears to have been a one night stand.

Why not an adult woman for an adult situation? Because there was more than a little seriously wrong with him.

In case you have never noticed Monica WAS an adult. Why do people keep acting as if she was jail bait?

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Ethelred

Thats standard US military policy. I am not thrilled with it but the military likes it. Some of it has to do with real issues of rank which is not the case with Monica. She did not have career on the line since she was an intern. That may be why Clinton thought she was safe.

It's standard policy for most of corporate America as well. There have been a number of political scandals regarding this exact issue in other branches of the Government, especially Congress. If it's news for a Congressman, it's big news for a president. This is just obvious, he knew he was taking a big risk not only personally, but politically. He paid the price.

Originally posted by Ethelred
People usually want what they see not what they don't. She made sure he saw. Hollywood actresses are kind of prominent. Not that easy to do these days. This is not the Kennedy era when the reporters keep their mouths shut about the President's private life. Even in the Kennedy/Monroe case the evidence for it is tenuous and it appears to have been a one night stand.

A president is exposed to literally thousands of people every year. It wouldn't be that hard to hook up with one of the hundreds of attractive women that attend rallies, fund raisers etc.

Originally posted by Ethelred
In case you have never noticed Monica WAS an adult. Why do people keep acting as if she was jail bait?

Legally yes. In terms of development there is no hard and fast line, just shades of grey. The difference between 45 and 20 is large, which is why relationships of this sort are frowned upon. Monica was certainly not as mature as her age would indicate. Anyway, this is a moral issue, not a legal one. Morally Clinton failed here as well as by screwing an employee, and setting a bad example for all those Federal Employees for whom the president is the chief executive, especially the military. It's just bad leadership plain and simple. Who wants to hear excuses about "it would have been ok if he wasn't caught." He was caught, and he lied and lied and lied, which again set a bad example for the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the U.S.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Stefu
Incidentally, Fez, as for Clinton and Bush re: economy, CATO Institute sez that Clinton was more fiscally conservative than Bush.[/b]

What about socially?

[b]
Maybe Fez has just become a liberal.

Hell no. If you use the word liberal as for economics probably I am... but the word has changed in meaning for politics and I am definitely not a liberal in politics. So don't make misleading statements.

[Saint Marcus]

Please stop touching each other. It gives me needs

wtf?

I am definitely not a liberal in politics.

here: liberal = rightwing

Ike was a golfer, not a racist.

My mind is a bit foggie, and I don't recal much about junior high, but I believe it had something to do with Little Rock, or Ike's policies concerning it. Don't flame me for this one (it's been many years ago), but I think it was about Ike's hesitance to step in and end the racist situation in the schools there. Again, don't flame me if I get it wrong. It was many years ago, and American history wasn't a topic I really studied hard on.

[Dry]

Originally posted by Fez
The only difference between Clinton and Bush, is that Bush is honest.

Would you define the Enron thing as "honest"?
How many $ stolen from people by Monica?
How many $ stolen from people by the Enron thing?
How many lives broken by the Monica affair, how many people having to re-build their live from scratch by the Enron affair?

You definitively have not the same definition of honesty as I.

The difference between Clinton and Bush is that Bush has the justice and the media in his pocket.
Oh, wait... now I think I understand your definition of honesty... Very similar to a word starting with P and ending with A in my dictionnary.

[Roland]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
What I find curious is that one president with such poor foreign policy skills is loved by Europe, while another president who Europe says is poor on foreign policy is hated. It boggles the mind.

Well then I have to explain it slowly to you:

We expect US presidents to have poor to negative foreign policy skills. So the only distinction is style - and we simply prefered Willy's sugarcoated idiocy over Dubya's puke-on-the-table idiocy.

[Saint Marcus]

yep, the art of diplomacy

[Giancarlo]

here: liberal = rightwing

I am not from your country. So don't compare me with your illogical political parties.

Also that is quote from a TV show... you probably don't know what show that is because you probably are not familiar with American TV.