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[Dauphin]

Originally posted by flash9286
well i just learned it was set for 2005 but congress cut backs changed the date to bring back rock samples from mars in 2011

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...rs_001026.html

Where exactly does it mention a manned mission?

You were talking about scheduling for astronauts to go there and back in the proximate future. Can you provide a link to such a proposal?

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Velociryx
The difference is that the European Space Agency seems content with that for the foreseeable future. All well and good, but again, when US moon and mars colonies start springing up, don't start crying foul about an American hegemony in space....you guys have the technical know-how....if you elect not to use it, that's not our fault....

-=Vel=-

Isn't that kind of assuming that 1) America is still a superpower and 2) That there are no others?

[flash9286]

like i said they changed the date

[Dauphin]

Again, where does it mention it was ever going to be a manned mission? Nowhere as far as I can see.

I know for a fact it was never going to be manned. You are making it up as you go along.

[flash9286]

god i just said they changed it do you not understand, goodness go find a link if you want one that is a updated misson plan

[Dauphin]

And I am telling you point blank that you are talking absolute bollocks.

[Lemmy]

goodness go find a link if you want one that is a updated misson plan

no, that is your job, since you claimed it, and while your at it, quote the piece where it says it is a manned mission, or the part that says they are building a base there.

[flash9286]

there not going to be a link to something they said in 1990

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000


Isn't that kind of assuming that 1) America is still a superpower and 2) That there are no others?

Not really; they're discussing an America that's willing to go versus an EU that's not, leaving any other potential powers out for the sake of the argument.

It might very well be the Russo-American Empire up there, if we both play our cards right.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by flash9286
there not going to be a link to something they said in 1990

How convenient.

I presume you are refering to Bush's speech of 1989. He wanted to cash in on the 20th anniversary of the moon landings by speculating that Mars landings could be acheived by 2019. The whole "plan" fell apart when it was actually put to NASA.

Don't try and fob speculation by an ill-informed politician, whose ideas fell apart as soon as they left his mouth, as a real effort to get men to Mars.

[flash9286]

the fact of the matter is america leads in space programs, it could build the inst by itself its just letting other countires help so they can say they had a part in it.

[Dauphin]

[flash9286]

[Lemmy]

the fact of the matter is america leads in space programs, it could build the inst by itself its just letting other countires help so they can say they had a part in it.

the inst? what's that?

[el freako]

Personally I think that the future is with unmanned exploration.

How many of you would want to live on an asteroid (which would be like living on an oil rig, but not as spacious or safe ) iif the resources of that asteroid could be made available to you whilst on earth?
The only real reason for living in space is to be 'free' of the politics of earth - any such settlements will benefit no terrestrial nation.


We in europe have far more experience with exploring and exploiting far off places than you americans (who only had a frontier next to your territory).
In fact I would go so far as to compare the US's manned space program with Cheng Ho's expeditions of the 1430's - both were very impressive compared with europe's efforts, and they predated them, but both were mainly driven by government and the desire for prestige and as such extremely vunerable to politics.
One of Cheng Ho's expeditions was far more impressive than those of Henry the Navigator's - but we all know which one's changed the world.