So how are you celebrating the Palestinian independance day? (9/13)

[Eli]

Originally posted by Pandemoniak
Nope, of course not. But I just couldnt let that fall on page two without an answer. And the fact is that terrorism never ressurected anyone. Moreover, Palestine, as a gouvernment (rather as the remaints of a governments) dont support terrorism since ages.
Actually, if Israel gave back Palestine's occupied territory to Palestine and accept a discussion to make Jerusalme an independant city such as Vatican, the war would stop.

Ah well, it's time for that picture again.

[Mr. President]

I could say "The liberation of Palestine refers to the liberation of all land on both sides of the Green Line, ie. the destruction of Israel". But Eli's picture says it more concisely.

[TheStinger]

Which of those organisations are splitters

[Eli]

Not even a single Palestinian organization had officially declared that liberating entire "Palestine" is not their goal.

Arafat said it in English couple times, together with some of his ministers. But on the ground, even "official" organizations like the Fatah and the Tanzim are still dedicated to the destruction of Israel.

[Lars-E]

Well, I know that I won't be celebrating dancing in the streets like many Palestinians celebrated two days before Sep 13 th...

I see that an Arab writing in a major British newspaper claim that the first reactions by Arabs in the ME of Sep 11, were shock and a feeling that the whole incident was terrible. Yeah, right... I'm sure you want to believe that and/or Arab/Muslim regimes TELL you to believe... Why do the British accept this crap in their 'news'papers?

[AVN]

Originally posted by Pandemoniak
Actually, if Israel gave back Palestine's occupied territory to Palestine and accept a discussion to make Jerusalme an independant city such as Vatican, the war would stop. But as many other countries, they wont because they would loss lands, and therefore financial interests.

The perfect solution, I agree.
But unfortunately only the left wing Israelis and the moderate Palestinians will accept such a solution, and both are small minorities.

The right wing Israelis want an Israel including Gaza and West Bank without Palestinians, just as a majority of the Palestinians want a complete Palestine (including the land within the Green Line) without Israelis.

Result : An unresolvable problem.

[Pavlov]

I celebrated this joyous occasion by changing my socks.

edit: and ripping off loinburgers joke

[Bereta_Eder]

Eli, you have posted that picture about 10 times already.

When you reach 100 you get a free watch

It dont mean anything the FYROMian nationalist party which is in power frequently feeded its media with maps which had half of Greece captured by FYROM.

they always do that, then they wise up.

[Eli]

Originally posted by AVN
The right wing Israelis want an Israel including Gaza and West Bank without Palestinians,

Wrong.

Most right wing Israelis disagree with giving this land to the Palestinians NOW, or in the near future.

Those who want all the land and suggest transfer are a small minority.

[AVN]

Originally posted by Eli

Most right wing Israelis disagree with giving this land to the Palestinians NOW, or in the near future.

Is there much difference between an official expulsion or an occupation with almost permanent curfews and no possibilities to live a normal life ?

And are these Israeli right wingers prepared to give up the whole Gaza and the whole Westbank, even if the Palestinians are prepared to accept the existance of Israel ?

Those who want all the land and suggest transfer are a small minority.

OK, you have a point here, although we can discuss what is small

[Eli]

Originally posted by AVN


Is there much difference between an official expulsion or an occupation with almost permanent curfews and no possibilities to live a normal life ?

Of course there is.

In the moment the terror stops(and not because we stop it, but because they decide to stop it) the curfews will be lifted. This happened for many times during this intifada.

The problem is that everytime we lift the curfews, we get a terror wave.

And are these Israeli right wingers prepared to give up the whole Gaza and the whole Westbank, even if the Palestinians are prepared to accept the existance of Israel ?

Even the majority of the lefwingers doesnt agree to give all the Gaza Streep and Judea&Samaria.

Roughly... After 2-3 years of no terror, no incitement etc, most of the moderate right wingers will be willing to give... errr... let's say 80-85%.

[Capt Dizle]

I am gonna write George Bush and request the he, Donny Rumsfeld, and Lezza Rice get a map and draw permanent borders and send in America troops to enforce them.

[AVN]

Originally posted by Eli

Even the majority of the lefwingers doesnt agree to give all the Gaza Streep and Judea&Samaria.

Roughly... After 2-3 years of no terror, no incitement etc, most of the moderate right wingers will be willing to give... errr... let's say 80-85%.

According several UN resolutions (that means that the USA didn't veto them) Israel should withdraw to the 1967 borders, which means giving up the Gaza Streep and Judea&Samaria and if IIRC East-Jerusalem.

If I interprete your reply correct you are saying there almost all of the Israelis (including left wingers) will never agree with the consequences of these resolutions.

Or do I make a mistake somewhere ?

[Eli]

You are absolutely right.

[AVN]

Originally posted by Eli
You are absolutely right.

IMO you have just proved that also the Israelis don't want a reasonable solution. Even if the Palestinians stop their terror and accept Israel.