Any Christians out there?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Ethelred


Loinburger has covered this quite well allready.

Consider this a 'ME TOO' post.

Ok, well, same response Ethelred, no "personal" attack was construed or intended, just stating facts.



Trying to keep you from being consumed with Eternal companionship with the likes of this fella below is all!

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by ckweb


That may be so. But does that give Ethelred sufficient justification to retaliate by calling the passage in Romans nonsense?

Those were different people. Loinbuger was talking to Troll not Lars.

Calling a passage about a god I have no reason to believe in nonsense is in no way an insult. This has happened a number of times lately in these threads. Suddenly I get accused of insulting people when I dealing with the Bible and not a person. It is getting tiresome.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Ethelred
Calling a passage about a god I have no reason to believe in nonsense is in no way an insult.

The trouble was that you'd said "You believe that nonsense," which I'd have taken as an insult. Only a fool believes nonsense, so saying that somebody believes nonsense is equivalent to calling them a fool.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Ethelred


Those were different people. Loinbuger was talking to Troll not Lars.

Calling a passage about a god I have no reason to believe in nonsense is in no way an insult. This has happened a number of times lately in these threads. Suddenly I get accused of insulting people when I dealing with the Bible and not a person. It is getting tiresome.

You are quite entertaining Ethelred, you attack what Christians know to be True and you say its not an insult.
Then you say I am attacking you (as does Loinburger) because I simply reveal to you what God's inspired Word states, you are going to burn in Hell if you do not accept Christ.

How can one be an insult (Mine) and yours not an Insult?

Oh well, I have shared the Truth, its not up to me and its not up to any other Christian, it is however up to He whom Sent me, to Judge. I have shared with you, you have been warned and now I will brush the sand from my feet, for I know I am not welcome within your commentary fields. I do however pray for you and hope you change your mind. If Jesus convicts you of your need to have him in your heart and you accept, then I shall see you one day in Heaven. If not, I am sorry for where you are headed.

~Peace~

Troll

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Lincoln
As you ridicule God he laughs at you. "God resists the proud but he gives grace to the humble."

You dont' get it either Lincoln. I haven't ridiculed god. Especially the christian god. I said I don't think it exists. I can not ridicule something that doesn't exist.

A true agnostic can be among the most honest of individuals but one who spends his life ridiculing God is not an honest person. He is as some have already said; A God hater. An honest agnostic is open to either view and finds no need to ridicule those who have opinions about God that are different than his own.

I haven't done that. I have tried to point out the problems in the oppinions. That entails showing what is wrong with them. Instead of dealing with what I say I am being attacked as a person. Yet again.

In this specific instance the passage Lars quoted had no relevance TO ME and it was being quoted AT me as if I have been ridiculing some god that I clearly cannot ridicule since I reasonably certain that it does not exist.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Troll
How can one be an insult (Mine) and yours not an Insult?

I haven't said or implied that you're a wicked human worthy of eternal punishment by virtue of the fact that you don't have the same opinion as I do. That's the difference.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by loinburger


I haven't said or implied that you're a wicked human worthy of eternal punishment by virtue of the fact that you don't have the same opinion as I do. That's the difference.

I however agree I am deserving of Eternal punishment. BUT Jesus Christ paid my debt in FULL.

~Peace~

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by loinburger


The trouble was that you'd said "You believe that nonsense," which I'd have taken as an insult. Only a fool believes nonsense, so saying that somebody believes nonsense is equivalent to calling them a fool.

Plenty of people believe nonsense without being fools. Especially when religion is involved. For instance the conductor Zubin Mehta is no fool but he believes in Zorastrianism and don't you think that Lars would consider it nonsense. He must or he would be Zorastrian instead.

Well its the same for me AND you. If you thought the Bible was not loaded with nonsense you would be a christian just as I would.

Remember many religions MUST be nonsense as in many cases only one can be right. I simply choose to call one more nonsense then christians do.

[Lincoln]

"I can not ridicule something that doesn't exist."

You seem to be making a pretty good effort to try and prove that "it" doesn't exist. Why does it consume so much of your time and why do you go out of your way to enter these discussions? You must realize that your efforts are futile if He does in fact exist because He said that he actively resists people like you. You must know that the God of the Bible is found by a spiritual revelation that is initiated by God. Do you see the problem?

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Troll

You are quite entertaining Ethelred, you attack what Christians know to be True and you say its not an insult.

THINK not know. You think its true. I am reasonably sure it isn't. Attacking me as insulting for saying what I think looks to be merely an attempt to repress my oppinions.

If you don't like my oppinions you are welcome to show what is wrong with them. Calling a disagreement an insult is not in the least a reasonable way to discuss things. It IS a way avoid discussing them.

Then you say I am attacking you (as does Loinburger) because I simply reveal to you what God's inspired Word states, you are going to burn in Hell if you do not accept Christ.

You aren't revealing anything to me. I am fully aware of this belief. Its only a belief from what I can see with no reality behind it.

How can one be an insult (Mine) and yours not an Insult?

How can merely disagreeing with you constitute an insult?

How can telling someone they are going to Hell not be one?

It is in fact a standard curse.

Oh well, I have shared the Truth, its not up to me and its not up to any other Christian, it is however up to He whom Sent me, to Judge. I have shared with you, you have been warned and now I will brush the sand from my feet, for I know I am not welcome within your commentary fields.

But you are welcome. To discuss anyway why you think the Bible is true. Without thinking that, nothing of what you are saying has much meaning.

I do however pray for you and hope you change your mind. If Jesus convicts you of your need to have him in your heart and you accept, then I shall see you one day in Heaven. If not, I am sorry for where you are headed.

~Peace~

Troll

I am headed for the same place everyone else is. Oblivion.

Not a happy thought but a real one. I am not going to accept teachings I think are false on a fear of death as there is no help from false teachings for me. I know that some do feel better about life if they convince themselves that there is some sort of god. Well I can't convince myself of that without evidence and I haven't seen any REAL evidence.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Lincoln
"I can not ridicule something that doesn't exist."

You seem to be making a pretty good effort to try and prove that "it" doesn't exist. Why does it consume so much of your time and why do you go out of your way to enter these discussions?

I like discussing them. I think I may have a hope that I can open a closed mind. In fact I have managed it once or twice. Not that they dropped their religion but they have decided that perhaps Creationism isn't real.

You must realize that your efforts are futile if He does in fact exist because He said that he actively resists people like you. You must know that the God of the Bible is found by a spiritual revelation that is initiated by God. Do you see the problem?

Nope. I see more evidence that I am right. God makes in the choice in that concept of yours. Its up to Jehovah to reveal himself in a manner that is convincing. The Bible sure isn't.

Besides again you need to be right for that have a lot of meaning. Since I am reasonably certain that you are not right there is little meaning at best in what you say.

[Gangerolf]

why is believing in leprecauns silly and believing in God accepted behaviour??

[Lincoln]

"Its up to Jehovah to reveal himself in a manner that is convincing."

You must see the problem then. Your efforts are futile if that is the case and you cannot say anything about God with any degree of credibility because he is not revealed to you with or without the Bible.

[Capt Dizle]

The knowledge of God is not something you can gain on your own. God is a spirit. He is supernatural and we are not. He is real but we cannot prove it. Or disprove it.

It is not for us to judge God. We can never have an understanding of God based on those things that are natural to us. All efforts to use our minds to reach Him are futile.

We must come to God as a little child. We must cast away all that we think we know.

We must be willing to stop justifying ourselves and accept that all we do we do from the nature of our bodies, our desires, and our needs. If we hold ourselves to be right or to be good, then we separate ourselves from God.

If we insist on having God on our own terms, then we hold ourselves to be our own God.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Lincoln


You must see the problem then. Your efforts are futile if that is the case and you cannot say anything about God with any degree of credibility because he is not revealed to you with or without the Bible.

Since I allready know that my efforts are not futile there is no problem for me.

I have not said a thing about god. Just about what the Bible says about the god that is in the Bible. You keep making the same mistake. I can neither ridicule nor even talk about a god that I have reason to think does not exist. I can only talk about what people say about their idea of god.

If you are right then nothing is futile its just up to Jehovah.