Top 10 signs your neighbor is brainwashed

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Gatekeeper
MtG:

I remember reading about the discovery of those bound hands. God, that is just weird. Could they have belonged to someone aboard the airliners?

Gatekeeper

Gatekeeper, I think they were DNA ID's to one of the flight attendants.

[MosesPresley]

Originally posted by Ethelred
Your thinking is the same as many used in the Viet Nam War to denigrate the US's motives there. There is still no oil comeing from Viet Nam.

More bait and switch. I never heard that about Viet Nam. I was told at the time it was because of the domino theory and that it was necessary to save the Vietnamese from communism by killing them. We were only there to help them. I'm not sure how burning down bamboo villages, shooting the men and raping their women was going to win the Vietnamese's hearts and minds and make them good little capitalist consumers, but our leaders know best and will always continue to look after our best interests.

Back to the WTC mess.

There are plans for an oil pipeline now and have been for several years. The pipeline is backed by Unocal, $1.9 billion, and was approved by the Pakistan leader Pervez Musharraf and interim Afghanistan leader Hamid Karzai back on February 8, 2002 of this year. Karzai was an adviser to Unocal. Zalmai Khalilzad, who is U.S. special envoy in Kabul now,also worked in Unocal in the 90's. The WTC atrocity is being used as a smoke screen to further the American military presence in central Asia and to seize for the oil industries more oil. Its seems fairly obvious to me. This is one of the reasons why Bush doesn't want an independent investigation of 9/11.

On a side note:

These multi-national oil companies show no allegiance to the US. They honor only money and tax evasion.

[MichaeltheGreat]

1.9 billion is chicken**** in the oil business, even on the infrastructure side.

Of course Karzai would be a "consultant" to anyone doing business there - the first thing any intelligent foreigner does is hire whatever local has the best connections.

Oil folks are jumping up and down now over hangups from the Saudis on developing new gas fields for LNG production - the infrastructure investments there are 25 billion.

You do have a point somewhere in all this "big oil done it" stuff?

[MosesPresley]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
1.9 billion is chicken****
You do have a point somewhere in all this "big oil done it" stuff?

1.9 billion is a lot, but it is nothing compared to the profits that will be made off of the pipeline.

If you can't see the point, I can't help you. You don't think it is the least bit suspicious that Unocal and it's employees are running Afghanistan? Wake up!

[notyoueither]

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by MosesPresley


More bait and switch. I never heard that about Viet Nam.

Not bait and switch. Reality. I sure heard it. Maybe its because everytime the US does anything someone thinks its about oil.

I was told at the time it was because of the domino theory and that it was necessary to save the Vietnamese from communism by killing them.

The Domino thery was derided constantly at the time. Nevertheless Cambodia, Laos, and South Viet Nam all fell to Communism and only Thailand remained. No one tried to save Viet Nam from Communism by mindlessly killing South Viet Namese. Not there wasn't mindless killing but the fact that it was pretty clearly mindless should give you a clue as to the total lack of any strategy behind it.

Perhaps you were thinking of North Viet Nam and the Viet Cong. They definitly were killing people in South Viet Nam to terrorize them into not defending themselves or even talking to US troops .

We were only there to help them. I'm not sure how burning down bamboo villages, shooting the men and raping their women was going to win the Vietnamese's hearts and minds and make them good little capitalist consumers, but our leaders know best and will always continue to look after our best interests.

Nonsense. No one there had a clue as to they doing except for those that were just trying to stay alive. So were there or is everything you know from Oliver Stone. I wasn't there. My draft number didn't come up.

Back to the WTC mess.

There are plans for an oil pipeline now and have been for several years. The pipeline is backed by Unocal, $1.9 billion, and was approved by the Pakistan leader Pervez Musharraf and interim Afghanistan leader Hamid Karzai back on February 8, 2002 of this year. Karzai was an adviser to Unocal. Zalmai Khalilzad, who is U.S. special envoy in Kabul now,also worked in Unocal in the 90's.

Well stupidity is its own reward. I think I won't be investing in Unocal. You have to be pretty damn foolish to invest in the place in near future. Maybe never. Afganistan has been destroying outsiders for milenia.

The WTC atrocity is being used as a smoke screen to further the American military presence in central Asia and to seize for the oil industries more oil. Its seems fairly obvious to me. This is one of the reasons why Bush doesn't want an independent investigation of 9/11.

There has been Congresional investigations. Who else is going to do it? What is seems obvious to you isn't necissarily real. It looks to me like Bush is panicking. He sure did at the start and while he seems to have pulled himself together enough for the war in Afganistan I think he is panicking over Iraq.

On a side note:

These multi-national oil companies show no allegiance to the US. They honor only money and tax evasion.

Tell me something I don't know although you are probably overstating it. Many of the people in the companies DO have allegience to the US. They would talk.

American companies are expected to make a buck and to avoid taxes whenever possible. Avoid is legal, evade isn't. Some companies have made the mistake of thinking otherwise and had the boss wind up in jail. Not often but it has happened, even in the oil industry.

[Pandemoniak]

9/11, who profits the crime ?
Not Al-Quaeda, for sure.
Not Palestine, nor any arabian state, even Irak, especially Irak.
The only things that take advantage of the Fall of the Twin Towers are :
- oil companies :
Just look at the price of oil from may 2001 to may 2002, Im not talking about the eventuality of building a huge pipeline across Afganhistan, but just taking the facts, 9/11 was an incredible boost for american economy. It doesnt mean only american oil companies are suspect, some european companies such as Elf are also suspects. Knowing more about my own country than about other countries, I assure you that Elf made many conspiracies comparable to the 9/11, involving far more deaths, but of course less impressive and spectacular.

-warfare industry :
That is quite simple, and america is the specialist of that : in order to sell your weapons, you need a war. USA warfare industrialist have never been afraid to use/ask/bribe/whatever the CIA to start these wars. Refer to the Oriental Timor business if you dont believe me. As well, in a "calm" situation (regarding the USA) like it was in 2000, a warfare industry cant explain why it has so much financial help from the state. 9/11 brought the situation back, just like in the cold war : usa economy cant even survive if it has no ennemy, they found their new ennemy on 9/11.

-nationalism supporter :
I heard kids saying they used to love their country, but since 9/11, they say "I'm ready to die for my country". The nationalist feeling is everyday stronger, and it does serve the government and the economy of the state. We had in France something similar in 1998, called the "World Cup Effect". For the six/nine months after the world cup, France government passed many laws that would have been fairly contested if people werent so busy singing we are the champions" (im a bit sarcastic, but I think thats the truth). USA gets a similar advantage, but bigger. As usual.

Some people talked about the Pearl Harbour conspiracy, and I want to point there that many bad coincidences happened at Pearl Harbor as well. Im not saying either it is a conspiracy, but many ships were out on patrol and those who were left in Pearl Harbour were not even in battle configuration, like they were supposed to be 24/7.

Anyway, back to 9/11 I find really troubling that what america calls "a disaster" is actually an incredible boost for all its economy, foreign relations, etc...
The "plane crash" on the Pentagon seem strange too.

I also wear a tinfoil hat.

[DinoDoc]

This thread just seems to attract the crazies out of the woodwork.

[David Floyd]

I mean, come on:

Who profited from WW2? The Japanese certainly didn't, but I'll tell you who did - the tank industry! That's right, people, Henry Ford started WW2!

[Roland]

Well what about the other issues ?

1. Does anyone think "George Bush is a decent man." ?

2. Does anyone have faith in the US system of checks and balances ?

3. Does anyone think the the war on terrorism is about US self defense ?

4. Does anyone think "Since September 11, George Bush has shown strong leaderships skills" ?

5. Does anyone beleive "Europeans don't agree with us because they're effete appeasers." - well useless question, that has been hammered into so many brains by US inc propaganda

6. Does anyone think "George Bush's administration is filled with solid, foreign policy pros." ?

7. Does anyone think "George Bush is doing an excellent job in the war on terror." ?

8. Does anyone believe "People who say the Bush administration 'let 9/11 happen' are conspiracy nuts." ?

9. Does anyone think the US media is liberal ?

10. Does anyone think "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction" ?

Let's see...

3: in part
8: the theory is not impossible but quite implausible
9: not really, they are foremost crap
10: well he quite certainly has. That's a silly question.

Ok I give myself 2.5 brainwash points.

[des-esseintes]

Maybe its because everytime the US does anything someone thinks its about oil.

[quote]


I said, check this out. Do as i say.

http://www.emperors-clothes.com/analysis/afghan.htm

[Lincoln]

Well I guess Caligasta was right again when he said something like 'there is always someone on Apolyton that will defend any position regardless of how absurd it is.' Where is that French book anyway??? I want to read it so I can help encourage the world to destroy Bush like we did Hitler before he has a chance to harm any more innocent people like Sadam Husein. After all, look what he did to Afganaxtan! Those women over there are now even working! Of course it must be the puppet government that we set up as a ruse to build another oil pipeline to Israel. Yea, that's what it is...

[Pandemoniak]

Originally posted by David Floyd
I mean, come on:

Who profited from WW2? The Japanese certainly didn't, but I'll tell you who did - the tank industry! That's right, people, Henry Ford started WW2!

You obvioulsy confused something : WWII was a war, while 9/11 was an act of destruction. Can you make the difference between the concepts : crime and war ?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by des-esseintes
Do as i say.

No.

[David Floyd]

Of course I can make the distinction. My post was mainly just a general mockery of conspiracy theory.