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I think it's funny how all the conspiracy theory kooks come from the same exact mind-set - whether it's Elvis is alice, Jim Morrison is alive, alien abductions, or 9/11.
Let's see if I get the jist of it: The evil Amercian President and CIA, lackeys of big oil, created a fake Islamic terrorist group, and decided to make some airliners disappear (or were they ever really there), using borrowed alien technology to make them invisible. The passengers on the airliners are now having their teeth examined by four foot tall gray creatures who weren't able to get it up for so long that they need our DNA to reproduce, but they can move through solid objects without being detectable. They did this, and secrectly snuck 120,000 lbs of av-gas into the two WTC buildings (those office workers never check what's in their desk drawers) so we could wipe out the financial center and many of the trading firms that big oil relies on, to have an excuse to invade one country who's government we didn't recognize, in order to put in a part of a pipeline that would pass through what, four or five countries, to take oil from a different country we weren't invading to a port facility in another country we weren't invading? And blowing up buildings in New York was supposed to help this process along how, exactly?
Even if you assume Bush and the CIA and whoever else are lackeys of the oil companies who want to build this pipeline, and everything was all hunky-dory except for that pesky Mullah Omar fella who wouldn't sign, so what?
Only three countries ever recognized the legitimacy of the Taleban "government" anyway - there's no legal basis for signing a treaty with a "nation" you don't recognize. You'd sign with the Rabbani folks in New York who you *do* recognize.
Nobody needed new attacks to make a case for dealing with the Taleban. All that would have been necessary (with a little Clinton-bashing about doing nothing more than firing a cruise missile or two) would have been to do a PR-blitz on bin Laden, the Cole, the African embassy bombings, the Khobar towers, etc. Throw in a little hand-wringing over human rights abuses to shut the liberals up, and voilá, instant war.
The conspiracy theorists don't address why the claimed need for an attack on WTC, like most inconveniences, they assume it away. (Well, they just *had* to blow it up, isn't it soooo obvious? What, are you *brainwashed*? ) They also don't address why oil company lackeys would **** with financial markets on which the oil companies are directly and indirectly dependent - if you're gonna blow something up, blow up another building, or a NASCAR event or something, not fly in from different angles so you can hopefully drop one building over on several more (NYMEX is right near the WTC, and if anyone knows *****ANYTHING***** about the oil bidness, you know how important NYMEX is to the oil industry.
The only thing conspiracy theorists have for a motive is... nothing. Just a phantom assembled from their own limited story-telling ability to rope in the gullible and technically ignorant. Their audience must have a convenient on-off switch for their cynicism - always apply extreme cynicism to any "official" description of events, yet get on your knees and open wide with total uncritical acceptance for any conspiracy theory description. If equal standards of cynicism are applied, the conspiracy theories will be seen for what they are - nothing more than internally inconsistent fantasy.
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But the biggest conspiracy is to claim there is no conspiracy .. in general that is.
In da butt.
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Clearly Michael has not been wearing his tinfoil hat. The Orbital Mind Control Lasers have him in their power. Not Dick Chaney's OMCL, the other ones, the ones belonging to the Giant Orbiting Invisible Aardvark.
Originally posted by Ethelred
The Orbital Mind Control Lasers have him in their power. Not Dick Chaney's OMCL, the other ones, the ones belonging to the Giant Orbiting Invisible Aardvark.
Anything but the Invisible Aardvark!
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Originally posted by red_jon
I'm sorry, does the fact that we haven't been given any motive or evidence not worry anyone?!
I'm sorry, if you want motive, read al Qutb and Maududi. Most other virulently anti-western Islamic fundamentalists have ripped off their teachings, so go to the source. Tolerance of moral abominations such as yourself is one motive. And no, it's not the fact that you don't wear a beard. Allowing women to vote, drive, hold jobs. Movies and video games. The western corruption and desecration of the holy places of Islam (never mind that we don't go into Mecca or Medina, our concept of "too close" and theirs don't match). Let's put it this way. Their vision of the "ideal world" is a little imcompatible with ours.
OBL had another problem - he'd been doing all sorts of fundraising and all sorts of training, but his sponsors weren't really satisfied about the bang they were getting for the buck. A couple of African embassies one year, blowing a hole in a small warship another, a military barracks another year - OBL really wasn't putting on a great show, and ratings were low.
As for evidence, I assume that the Blair government and prior governments in the UK have personally provided you with source material to prove the existence of the IRA and crimes committed by them? In fact, I assume from your demand for evidence that you personally are a recipient of original evidence for all criminal acts your government prosecutes, as they simply *need* your personal approval?
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Originally posted by red_jon
Yes I see. How ridiculous of me to actually expect a reason or proof for such a horrific crime.
I guess I need to take off my tinfoil hat for my head to be able to fit in the sand
What is horrific about it? They were infidels. Zionists, Jews, desecrators of the holy sites.
What do you think would happen in the UK if a similar mindset to the Taleban or al Qaeda took over? Or even Ali Khamanei, although he's a pretty moderate guy, almost liberal.
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MtG - I just believe that other groups had motives as well and was in a better position to pull it off (I'm not saying it wasn't who it is widely believed to be, I'm just saying it's not the only possibility).
And I agree that the UK government probably hasn't been exactly honest regarding the IRA.
I'm not saying they need my approval, but I saying that I personally don't think they've told us the whole truth. Is it possible they knew about the attacks but delibereatly let it happen or ignored warnings because the aftermath would be beneficial to any previously less than popular leaders?
Why is it most people don't think the government can keep a secret? Obviously not too many ex-military people here.
I'll give you a good example of government secret keeping: The Manhattan Project. Nobody of the average-person-persuasion had a clue they were working on this super-weapon.
The Bushies are up to their necks in oil and blood. All you have to do is read a newspaper to see that.
We need an independent investigation of the events that led to 9/11. For Pete's sake, if someone farts on capitol hill there is an investigation. Where's the investigation for this major clusterf*ck.
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I'll give you a good example of government secret keeping: The Manhattan Project. Nobody of the average-person-persuasion had a clue they were working on this super-weapon.
Vice President Truman didn't have a clue 'till after Roosevelt died.
The again a lot of the claims for a cospiracy in the assasination of President Kennedy are false. For one is ALWAYS claimed the autopsy photos are a secrect and that no one has seen them.
I have seen them. On the net. If anyone really wants to see the inside of Jack Kennedy's skull I can supply a URL. The photos were released a long time ago but the conspricy theorists are never bothered by facts.
Originally posted by MosesPresley
I'll give you a good example of government secret keeping: The Manhattan Project. Nobody of the average-person-persuasion had a clue they were working on this super-weapon.
The USSR was kept pretty well informed, though.
Nobody of the average-person-persuasion understood jack about the engineering, physics or concepts behind the Manhattan project. However, thousands of people all over the US knew there was some huge government project in the middle of nowhere in New Mexico.
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) They also don't address why oil company lackeys would **** with financial markets on which the oil companies are directly and indirectly dependent - if you're gonna blow something up, blow up another building, or a NASCAR event or something, not fly in from different angles so you can hopefully drop one building over on several more (NYMEX is right near the WTC, and if anyone knows *****ANYTHING***** about the oil bidness, you know how important NYMEX is to the oil industry.
.. in general that is.
Allowing women to vote, drive, hold jobs. Movies and video games. The western corruption and desecration of the holy places of Islam (never mind that we don't go into Mecca or Medina, our concept of "too close" and theirs don't match). Let's put it this way. Their vision of the "ideal world" is a little imcompatible with ours.
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