sad thoughts on poly posters

[KrazyHorse]

Aren't the username and flag you've chosen redundant?

[tinyp3nis]

I even had to get a dictionary for redundant, and i did and i still dont get it (the meaning of whole sentence). Enlingthen me please. Or if it is an insult, say it so a slow guy like me gets it, im a "big" man, i can take it... ..

[Serb]

Originally posted by tinyp3nis
Hey Serb, i would really much like to know your side of the story what happened in the winterwar of 39, i have heard the finnish side here way too often and i know all the facts allready, but i have allways wanted to hear the russian version of what really happened. I really havent got the chance to hear it earlier, but it has allways bugged me since i have been hearing the soviet version is way different what really happened(or finnish ppl say what happened)....
You dont have to reply, but im just too curious not to ask about it, just in case u have info.

Russo-Finnish frontier was only 32 km away from Leningrad- our Northern capital. Stalin beleived that in case of war with Germany, Hitler will use Finland as bridgehead to attack Soviet Union (which Hitler done in 1941). He offered to remove frontier a bit far away from Leningrad. He offered larger Soviet lands in exchange for Finnish lands near Leningrad. They refused. He ordered to took this land by force. The border scirmish was started. It was very cold winter, Fins had very tough fortifications known as Manergeim's line and they fought quite well. But after 100 days of campaign their fortifications were broken and in fear of total occupation Finland accepted terms of Stalin and frontier was removed from 32 km to 250 km away from Leningrad. This campaign showed what harm Stalin done during purges. He started to relise Soveit generals and oficiers who were still alive in jails.Aand also Stalin started the re-arming programm of Red army. Unfortunately he had no much time, 1.5 years later Hitler attacked SU and we re-armed our army when we already were in war with Germany.

[Serb]

Damn,
you are Finn. I should have guessed that it was a trap.

[tinyp3nis]

Russo-Finnish frontier was only 32 km away from Leningrad- our Northern capital. Stalin beleived that in case of war with Germany, Hitler will use Finland as bridgehead to attack Soviet Union (which Hitler done in 1941). He offered to remove frontier a bit far away from Leningrad. He offered larger Soviet lands in exchange for Finnish lands near Leningrad. They refused. He ordered to took this land by force. .

The side of the story we hear is that finland was no real threat, and after seeing what happened to estonia and the other 2 baltic countries dealing with land would not be a smart idea... you know what happened to them

[GeneralTacticus]

Or if it is an insult, say it so a slow guy like me gets it, im a "big" man, i can take it... ..

He's saying that all Finns have small penises.

[KrazyHorse]

Or that all men with small penises are Finns.

[KrazyHorse]

I thought it was pretty good, actually...

[tinyp3nis]

Ah ok i guessed its that but i wasnt sure . We have an ecxuse, its so darn cold here! Wont work?


edited nard to darn omg... oh and i hope darn is a word...

[JCG]

I'm not anti-USA, just anti-US government as world policeman if it's not going to travel the full mile, and/or doesn't solve it's own problems first.


Regarding WWII...

USSR would certainly have defeated Nazi Germany on its own with no US aid, just that the war may have dragged on to about 1946-47. Lend lease was important in making things easier, but it wasn't vital nor necessary to the success of the Russian war effort; it just positively contributed to the build up.

In any case, Germany could never have won the war outright against the Russians, not unless you introduce several massive changes...

1941: Only theoretical chance at a real "win" to the war, but would have required an earlier and faster Barbarossa concentrated not just on one objective, but without Hitler's interference, bad weather, much greater than expected quantity and quality of Russian tanks, general laziness of the German war economy, arrival of the Siberian reinforcements and the obstructions of several ancient-minded generals in the German Heer.

1942: important victories were possible in the Caucasus OR Stalingrad, that could have caused serious problems for the Russians, but from an overall economic and strategic perspective, it was too late to permanently defeat them. A long stalemate of several years could have resulted generally in Germany's favor, but Russian economic superiority and adaptability just couldn't be overturned decisively by then.

1943: the last chance Germany had to at least provoke anything like a stalemate (at most a temporary one) if Manstein's advice had been followed, but they also messed that up before-and-at Kursk, and had to resort to just delaying the Russians...

1944: a catastrophe, and 1945: a very tragic joke.

[Capt Dizle]

Lazy German war economy? Huh?

[JCG]

Yes. Lazy German War Economy for the first and most important years of the War.

Late 1943-45 improvements were too little, too late.

[Serb]

In autmn of 1941 Hitler was so sure about his victory over Soviets, that he ordered to reduce production of weaponry.

[Capt Dizle]

I wouldn't say lazy. My understanding is the Germany had limited industrial capability. Unlike in American where we could designate factories to build just one thing for the duration of the war, Germany had to run a bit of this and then a bit of that and switch again at a lot of their plants.

So, Hitler's overconfidence could have lead to bad planning but thats not laziness.

[GeneralTacticus]

In autmn of 1941 Hitler was so sure about his victory over Soviets, that he ordered to reduce production of weaponry.

He also refused to isue his troops with winter clothing right up until the end of '41. Guderain asked for it repeatedly and was rebuffed every time.

Edited to add quote.