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[GeneralTacticus]

No, I was talkng about his regarding the war as border skirmish. Rather larger than that, considering what he ended up committing to it.

[Serb]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus


Then why did he discount every piece of intelligence that was sent to him indicating that Hitler was going to attack?

Because he was paronoid who beleived that he is smarter then Hitler. And he beleive that he triked Hitler with non-aggerssion pact and that untill Germany in war with GB, Hitler will not attack SU.

I'm saying that if Stalin just moved in after the Germans to establish a buffer zone, the Finns would most likely have their hands full with Hitler.

Sure.
But, Stalin was SURE that Finns WILL GIVE right of passage to Hitler, and he saw no reason for Hitler to invade Finland if he would have everything he wanted without war- the right of passage for Hitler's army.

[GeneralTacticus]

Because he was paronoid who beleived that he is smarter then Hitler. And he beleive that he triked Hitler with non-aggerssion pact and that untill Germany in war with GB, Hitler will not attack SU.

Why would that make him think his intelligence was false?

[GeneralTacticus]

But, Stalin was SURE that Finns WILL GIVE right of passage to Hitler, and he saw no reason for Hitler to invade Finland if he would have everything he wanted without war- the right of passage for Hitler's army.

Why was that?

[Serb]

Why would that make him think his intelligence was false?

Because, he was crazy paranoid. I have not different explanation. So many different sources tells him that war will start at summer of 1941, but he refused to beleive in this, refused to admit that Hitler acted smarter the he, refused to accept defeat of his "diplmatic gift".
One word- paranoid. When the war started he spend few days on hysteria, instead of made of decisions.

[GeneralTacticus]

Wouldn't megalomaniac or conceited be a better description?

[Serb]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus


Why was that?

A lot of reasons, but Idon't have time now.
This thread starts as anti-USA bashing, why it turned to Winter war discusion again?

[Serb]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Wouldn't megalomaniac or conceited be a better description?

Perhaps. One word crazy and super-conceited.

[GeneralTacticus]

This thread starts as anti-USA bashing, why it turned to Winter war discusion again?

Actually it started as pro-American crap, but that's beside the point. Blame whichever Finn asked you how you saw the war...

Perhaps. One word crazy and super-conceited.

On that we can agree (and about his paranoia too, just that I don't think that's what made him dismiss his intelligence).

[tinyp3nis]

Originally posted by Serb

Oh really? It wasn't you who was allied with Hitler in 1941/ It wasn't your army who fought on Hitler's side? It wasn't you who was on of the AXIS countries?


Baltic states were annexed by Soviet Union in August 2 1940- almost 6 months after Soviet-Finnish war was over. So, I don't see logic in your argument.

I was talking about 1939. The things what happened in 1941 is direct result of 39 + the fact that not allying axis would be really bad idea (at the time). Some could argue that there was other choices too to consider instead of allying with them but at the time, there was not really options. It was revenge too, mostly lack of good options.

And what comes to baltic states, im sorry about that. My bad, wrong info. Some time has passed since i was in school. What i recall is the land deal (before the war) was unfair, but i cant remember too well and i cant check, because i dont have my old school books with me. Sure i "can" with google but it takes too long for a lazy guy. Did the deal involve something to do with a soviet military base or was it some else deal?.....

[Serb]

No bases, like in case of Baltic states. Just land exchange. He offered bigger lands in Korelia (iirc) on exchange for Finnish lands near Leningrad.

[David Floyd]

By the way, serb, I haven't abandoned our discussion, I'm just pretty short on time. I'll get around to replying one of these days, but it's obvious by now that we're getting nowhere with each other.

[Serb]

Of course, as always.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Well, actually it was more of a German client state in many ways, until Germany foolishly started threatening it.

What do You mean by that?

Oh, and Serb, it was USSR to claim that the way to the World Revolution goes through the dead body of Poland...

[chequita guevara]

Let it go!