Most evil American political leader ever?

[Ramo]

Given the historical context, crazy ol' Ronnie stands out, though if Ashcroft goes much further we may have a new winnner.

[David Floyd]

You're comparing the war on terror vs WW2, and I'm the dumbass?

Yes, that's right. If you can say a knock on FDR is a knock against WW2 vets, then I can say a knock on Bush is a knock on people fighting the War on Terror. There's no difference except in scale.

[Sava]

Sure, you can say it, but you'd be wrong .

[David Floyd]

How so?

[Lars-E]

Several, and they weren't ardent White Supremacists. Wilson's "Internationalism" was also more like "Extremely Overbearing International Interference."

I 'said' internationalist and idealist.

The white supremacy issue has already been answered.

Woodrow Wilson forced America into WW1, costing over 120,000 US lives. For that alone, he counts as one of the worst in my book.

You prefer isolationism?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Very lame Boris, go read about the man, concentrate on his time as california governer.

Why would I do that when we were only discussing his presidency?

I did?
That must be some trick, considering I NEVER post at CGN.

Pardon. I thought CGN = counterglow.net.

Considering I never made such an assertion, why do you keep saying I did?What are you talking about?
Will you quit phantom quoting me?

Ok, months and months ago you said that the Europeans attacked the Natives because the Natives attacked them first, and they were "reaping the Whirlwind." Now, you couldn't have meant the Vikings in that thread, as the repulsion of the Vikings from N. America was unknown to the Europeans who ended up slaughtering the Natives. You couldn't have meant the English, as they arrived well after there were documented attacks on Europeans by Natives. So I can only conclude you were implying the Natives attacked the Spanish first, which is 100% incorrect.

No evidence?
The place was razeed to the groud.
Who did it, Gremlins? Nice theory, buy why were the buildings destroyed?

What? Where are you getting this from? The buildings were razed? Says who? The pallisade was in tact and standing. That's why Roanoke's disappearance is a mystery--the buildings WERE NOT destroyed. They had been rifled through, but not "razed." Is this what you call "facts?"

Since when were the Virgina tribes so accomdating?
This is what I referred to earlier, making it up as you go along.

Um, they were quite accomodating at first:

"At first, relations with the Indians continued friendly, though the Englishmen had their detractors in the Council of the Indian Chief. The aborigines planted crops and made fish traps for the Englishmen. With rare foresight, the colonists also induced Chief Wingina (who had changed his name to Pemisapan) to put into simultaneous cultivation his lands both on Roanoke Island and on the mainland at Dasamonquepeuc in order that the Indians might have no excuse for not being able to supply the colony if need arose."

The Indians helped the colonists. But the colonists neglected planting their own crops and preparing for winter. When lean times came, the colonists had nothing, and the Indians weren't going to share any more because they only had enough for themselves. The English responded to this by stealing from Native traps and Grenville eventually even burned a native village. Yeah, no provocation there.

You stated it as fact, just a few pages ago.The beauty of these things is you can't escape your own words:
"He was certainly wrong, IMO, when he blatantly stole the 2000 election, but again, that's off-topic. "
In your opinion he blatently stole the election.
How did he accomplish this little feat?
The disputed ballots were from democratic counties, and the law was clear as to what were leagal ballets.
Just a tad biased there, wern't you?

And since I preceded my words by stressing it was my own point of view...then of course it is my opinion. Duh again. I didn't say "blatantly" either. If that were the case, he'd be in jail. I was asserting, IMO, that he stole the election, an act that would certainly be wrong. I base that opinion on the multitude of shenanigans before, during, and after the election in FL thanks to his brother's political machine, as well as the ridiculousness of counting absentee militarty ballots that were clearly postmarked after the legal date, etc. And again, too much to discuss here and irrelevant.

You know, I have heard that from several people when your name came up.

You wanna know how many people I hear saying things about you? I don't think so...it's a lot. And I don't care what you've heard, because I'm sure the sources are people I could say things about, too.

I never "hammer away with nonsense", if I spaek on something it's either from personal experience or university training.

Hmm, since you weren't at Roanoke, what university training told you it was razed to the ground?

Nonsense.
For the last two days you have trying to make it a personal battle,

Personal? I know you like to take things personally, but I certainly don't consider any of our exchanges to be about anything personal. I certainly don't go leaping from the gate making personal insults and attacks against people with different opinions, unlike SOME people here...

Your a silly Lefty Boris, everybody knows it, you have no objectivity.

I've made no secret of my left-leaning feelings, so why would I care if everyone knows it? I'm not the least bit ashamed of it either. And you have no objectivity, either. I just realize it's not crucial to having a debate over one's opinions to be objective, as opinions aren't objective. Nobody in this entire world is objective.

Just figured that out, did you?

Um, no, as I've been saying that all along. But apparently you did! So here's a cookie!

Now SIT! STAY! and no more peeing on the rug.

[David Floyd]

You prefer isolationism?

Oh absolutely, at least in terms of foreign policy.
Trade, of course, should be totally free.

[Kyle]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Oh absolutely, at least in terms of foreign policy.
Trade, of course, should be totally free.

I was curious if there were any presidents you liked?

[David Floyd]

Hmmmm....Coolidge was OK, which is more than I can say for many of the others.
I wouldn't say there was any President that I would have voted for over a Libertarian candidate, by any means.

[Boris Godunov]

DF, what about the pre-Lincoln presidents, like Washington, or Adams, or Jefferson, etc?

[Dis]

Jefferson. Surely he's as bad as reagon right?

And we can't forget about Monroe.

What about Washington. A general who killed thousands of innocent British troops

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Dissident
What about Washington. A general who killed thousands of innocent British troops

On a sidenote, I always like to gleefully point out that it could only be the British who would think it proper military tactics to march into battle using big, densely-packed block formations while wearing astoundingly-bright red uniforms with giant, pointy black hats on top...

[David Floyd]

DF, what about the pre-Lincoln presidents, like Washington, or Adams, or Jefferson, etc?

Not a huge fan of them, especially Jefferson, who had good ideas prior to being President, but somewhere along the line apparently decided he liked power. He wasn't a huge fan of the Supreme Court, that's for sure.

[Shi Huangdi]

"How so?"

We're wasting our time with him David. Sava is just a plain stupid person. He obviously has no grasp of logic, otherwise he would see the inconsistency in saying that insulting FDR is insulting WWII vets but insulting GWB is not insulting people fighting the war on terror. Because he sucks at arguing, he tries to make up for it with insults. But he isn't evem good at that. Personally, I really sorry for this man.

[civman2000]

WHERE'S WOODROW WILSON???????!?????!? he's by far the evilest! In his absence though, Bush Jr (though I'd say ashcroft maybe even above wilson if he were available)