Is there any scenario in which the Arabs defeat America in the current war?

[Pekka]

Yes they tried. Obviously they made some bad mistakes.
Israel defended greatly their country in those attacks. But if the arabworld tried it again, and planned it well, it could succeed doing it. With full force and surprise. I'm not saying they would, I'm only saying they could, and it wouldn't be impossible to be succesfull.

[Pekka]

And it sure hell would be better plan to try that one, than wait in home for bombs to drop and battle on their own backyards?

[Giancarlo]

Let me respond to this thread:
Absolutely no way in one trillion years the Arabs could defeat the USA in the current war.

The Arab world attacking Israel would not be possible. The arabs in no way can defeat Israel... why? Not because of military enlistment numbers or equipment but the short range nuclear weapons Israel has. If Israel gets into a war and starts to lose (which is extremely highly unlikely) it will threaten to launch a couple short range nukes.

[Pekka]

I'd say never say never. It has been ALWAYS the big problem in western armies.. underestimating the enemy. Which is the mother of all f#ups.

[Giancarlo]

That is your opinion.

[spartak]

Of course if the Arabs cut off the oil they would bring the whole world to its knees...

You don't need to win a battle to win a war (although that helps).

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Spartak
Of course if the Arabs cut off the oil they would bring the whole world to its knees...

You don't need to win a battle to win a war (although that helps).

First, the world doesn't depend on Arab oils, they are only the cheapest.

Second, most Arab countries are not self-sufficient in food production. Stopping oil export would mean starvation. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and all Gulf states rely on desalination of sea water to get water supply. We can just blow up these desalination plants and see what happens.

Third, we can conquer those oil fields. Desert is ideal for modern weapons and horrible guerillas.

[Grrr]

It depends on how you look at it; in my opinion a defeat of America is the point where America's citizens have lost all freedom.

A well placed nuke or two will achieve this result. If for instance a nuke is detonated in Washington and in Jerusalem; the results would be disasterous for America. A couple of phoney threats and the cities will stream empty, as well as a shadow government being in place for the United States. Freedom of movement, freedom of speech and all general other forms of freedom will sink to oblivion.

However, the US will probably detonate 1000 nukes over the Middle East which could be regarded as non achievement of the goal.

[notyoueither]

Hmmm.

I wonder what the response to a similar question re the North Vietnamese would have been in 1965?

Never count your parades till you've won the last battle.

[Dis]

err I'm pretty sure the middle east has already won.

[Dis]

When I think about it I think it would be easy to bring down america.

First of all lets rewind back to Sept11. We were most vulnerable at this stage.

I believe a massive attack could be coordinated if need be.

First of all there would need to be at least 200 hijacked planes. One into every building over 20 stories. Sure there may be some Beamer stories like in Penssylvania. But I figure 75% succes rate (as what really happenned)

Next biological weapons. Anthrax into major cities combined with smallpox. Use crop dusters for this.

Next poision water supplies. This need not be lethal does as that would require too much chemical. Just enough to contaminate every major cities water supply. This would cause people to panic and when the bottled water runs out they are ****ed.

Next would be to rent at least 5000 ryder trucks and stack them with fuel oil and manure. Use these on every major cities hosipitals and goverment buildings.

next would be arson. use any remaining terrorist manpower to set fires to all of the west.

Next blow up gas stations. As many as possible.

Of course all of this needs to happen on Sept 11.

It's just that easy to bring down the mightiest country in the world.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless
First, the world doesn't depend on Arab oils, they are only the cheapest.

You're kidding. Why did you think there was an oil crisis?

[notyoueither]

A lot has changed since the 70's.

[spartak]

Not that much - there isn't enough oil in the world if we took the ME oil out of the equation....

[notyoueither]

Really? Hmmm. I would have thought that things like developing fields that have more oil (heavy) than Saudi Arabia, things like making a friends with Russia, and other factors would effect the equation.