Is there any scenario in which the Arabs defeat America in the current war?

[Traianvs]

Out war aims are different. We want them dead, while they want Israel dead. If the **** hits the fan we might both win.

uh i didn't know we actually wanted to kill eachother?

[Lord Merciless]

I wouldn't worry too much about oil. 3/4 of our oil doesn't come from Arab states anyway. In addition, we already possess alternative technologies, but these technologies are prevented from taking off by the cheap oil. Rising oil prices would do wonder to technological innovations.

[DanS]

I really dislike the loaded nature of this question. We are really fighting pan-muslim terrorism, or even terrorism more broadly construed (Columbia, etc.).

[Az]

yes, of course. ( note : I support you )

[Felch]

Originally posted by Trajanus
uh i didn't know we actually wanted to kill eachother?

I oversimplified things immensely to make my statement palatable for foreign consumption.

First of all, Belgium is not involved. Second, we don't want to kill all the Arabs, just the uppity ones. Third, we don't want to just kill them, we also want to torture them and extract information.

Is that more helpful?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless
Expect the US to become an empire.

We already are an empire.

Comrade monkspider, we are not at war with the Arabs. We are at war with a Muslim terrorist organization which is largely Muslim, but also has people of different ethnicities.

[Sava]

Well, there is the one scenario where pigs fly out my ass...

[chequita guevara]

Perhpas if the terrorists had planned a sustained assault to commense immediately after the planes hit, with car bombs going off and machine gunning in malls and such, etc. They hit us and ran away. They should have hit us and kept on hitting us and hitting us. That would likely have caused the US to declare martial law and our democratic experiement would be over.

That opportunity has passed.

[Sava]

Crazy and stupid, huh chegitz?

[chequita guevara]

Thank goodness.

[Hydey]

1,754 nukes raining down on the US will give the arab nations a sporting chance.

Ofcourse everyone would dead so there is really no winner.

[Pekka]

Hmm, I could see few scenarios where they could take the lead, but maybe for a short time. It would have some surprise attacks with surprise alliances in the arab world, mostly a masterplanned attack to Israel, invade.
No arguing about Israel kicking them back, it could happen, it is not impossible if done greatly. It would be tough for the US then.. It's not like they would nuke the place. It would give initiative to arabs, which is essential.
But maybe only for starters.. what would happen after this, I think total chaos. This wouldn't be victory for them, but it would be hard to defeat them after that and call it victory.

Anyway what the arabs need to do is to take the war away from their lands, or at least spread it to the enemies lands, not just small terror strikes, but full scale. Eventually they'd be kicked back from Israel, but when that time comes, they'd have the war spread so wide, it wouldn't be a problem. Would they defeat the US? Maybe not.
But they should keep the initiative, as to control the happenings. Change pressure points, move in, move out, train the villagers and the people, spread propaganda, spread terror, take hostages, spread wild rumours, give informants to enemy with wrong info.. etcetc. Try to mobilize the troops so, that it couldn't be taken out in one strike, and it could operate with only one team on their own.. etc. Stuff that small countries usually do if they want to success, or even the scores.

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


We already are an empire.

The "empire" I meant was more like a totalitarian regime. It the US were such an entity, you wouldn't be here posting anti-US stuff. They would have you exterminated already.

[Pekka]

Sounds like the USSR way .

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Pekka
Hmm, I could see few scenarios where they could take the lead, but maybe for a short time. It would have some surprise attacks with surprise alliances in the arab world, mostly a masterplanned attack to Israel, invade.
No arguing about Israel kicking them back, it could happen, it is not impossible if done greatly. It would be tough for the US then.. It's not like they would nuke the place. It would give initiative to arabs, which is essential.
But maybe only for starters.. what would happen after this, I think total chaos. This wouldn't be victory for them, but it would be hard to defeat them after that and call it victory.

Anyway what the arabs need to do is to take the war away from their lands, or at least spread it to the enemies lands, not just small terror strikes, but full scale. Eventually they'd be kicked back from Israel, but when that time comes, they'd have the war spread so wide, it wouldn't be a problem. Would they defeat the US? Maybe not.
But they should keep the initiative, as to control the happenings. Change pressure points, move in, move out, train the villagers and the people, spread propaganda, spread terror, take hostages, spread wild rumours, give informants to enemy with wrong info.. etcetc. Try to mobilize the troops so, that it couldn't be taken out in one strike, and it could operate with only one team on their own.. etc. Stuff that small countries usually do if they want to success, or even the scores.

They tried that already 4 times from 1948 to 1973, with full backings from the great USSR. Result: they got their ass literally kicked every time. That's why they resorted to terror now.

As I said before, if they played too dirty, what does prevent their enemies from playing dirty too?