Should Israel Have Been in Europe Instead

[Pekka]

Siro, Absolutely. Though this summer was quite hot in here too, and still is. Close to 30 celcius every day! But it's not usual. Or you could visit winter, if you wish to ski or do some winter stuff.

YOu wouldn't have to do guard duty here you silly man . Israeli soldiers would be here chilling, doing what they want, having their cabins etc. So that could be counter as a perk also. We'd get trigger time, and that would be good for us too.

Ã…land is a big ass island near us. It belongs to us, but they have their own flag, autonomy etc. They only speaks swedish, so we could just kick them there and you could have it for example.

[Pekka]

Oh yeah, I'm getting a vision now, it's clearer. You'd have Ã…land all by yourselves, as a Resting and Recreation area for soldiers and their families. You could naturally be in mainland too, but that would be nice place for them, having their own peace.We would rotate on regular basis, having our guys there for a while, and then rotate back. Or maybe just 50/50 all the time, with normal rotation.

We would get your technology for satellites and stuff, of course we'd fund it, and launch our own military satellite with your help. There would be automatic working permission etc if we come there and vice versa. Yep.

[Sirotnikov]

Hehe

let's start a site.

We have almost 40 celcius and around 80% humidity...

[Sirotnikov]

Forgger this is exactly my point.

CNN is completely incompetant, and the Palestinian spokesmen use it wisely to deliver their messages abusing inexact and lacking information.

And our spokesmen are worse at speaking than George Bush...

Except Nethanyahu, but he's rarely a guest.


Victims of Terror - you don't know the whole story behind that. We do.

There was culminating rage in Israel at many biased decision in CNN, spiking at a large terract event, where the CNN news (was it breaking or headlines i don't know) opened with broadcasting a piece with the relatives of the terrorist, before addressing the Israeli side, and the fact he actually killed 19 people in that day.

It's ludicrous. Instead of showing the main event - what the terrorist has done - murdered 19 civilians, they start out by preparing public opnion and justifying his act, by showing the terrorist's family and so on.

It's like if Israeli reports on 9-11 started with interviews of Osma explaining how America is evil.

Israelis also raged at a comment made by Ted Turner in his interview in Time magazine. Ted Turner was anti-Israeli in his remark, and Israelis feared it affects CNN's policy.

CNN was threatened to be cancelled, due to public outrage. (bbc is worse, but much less watched).

So they quickly arranged the Victims of Terror meant to be one week of clear Israeli bias. And that was it.

[Sirotnikov]

Oh, and they officially appologized.

[Heresson]

"Why part of Italy? The Italians didn't give up their Jews to the Nazi's until the government fell and the Nazis took over the country. Personally, I think East and West Prussia and maybe East Pommerania would have been good."
(Chegitz)

Poles didn't give their jews/Jews to Germans either. Why should this state be built on our territory?
Anyway eastern Pomerania=western Prussia.
There should be no Jewish state unless yYou'll find a territory where no-one else lives and no-one had lived
and that would be hard.

"Poles, Croats, Serbs, Romanians, Bulgarians, Hungarians and Russians all eagerly helped the Russians hunt down Jews"
(Whoever)

You mean Germans probably.
And You forgot other occupied nations, though I think putting us in the same row as German collaborants
is an offence. Poles, unlike all the nations above and nations in the west didn't give Hitler any SS brigade.
Of course it's because Poles disliked Germans not because they disliked Hitler only, but still it counts.
There are examples of selling Jews by poles as well as there are examples of selling Jews by Jews.

"From what I remember from my history lessons and other readings, Germanic tribes came from the east, and spread to the north and west, before the Slavs. Germanic tribes (Cimbri et Teutoni) terrorized the Romans already 105 BC. The Slavs entered the region of Poland and eastern Germany (roughly the area of the former GDR) around 500-800 AC"
(Adalbertus)

That's interesting German theory that was supposed to give them a reason for Drang Nach Osten.
According to it, all Slavice population that soon afterwards occupied half of Europe was supposed
to came out of Prype? swamps which never had any significant population. In other words, it's rubbish.

(Sorry for quotes)

[Ned]

A, The whole of Liberia, not just the areas of American dominance, are "American." The people who were there live in an American styly-republic. English is the National Language. Protestant Christianity is the religion of the Americans.

Islam, or the ancient African religions, are the religions of the majority, however.

So, when you said,

"If they said "All is ours", they are aggressive colonizers. If they were able to get more or less incorporated in their old tribal structures and taught the rest how to create an effective state they are not. "

Under your criteria, the Americans were (are) aggessive colonizers. They did not adopt the old tribal ways, but imposed American democracy on the continent.

The American refugees, who settled in Africa, their homeland, are not in any way dissimilar to the Jews of Israel returning to their homeland, Israel, Samaria and Judea.

What is different is the attitude of the Europeans. Rather tha celebrating the event of the return of the Jews to their homeland after millenia of persecution by none other than these same Europeans, we find that the Europeans are insisting that the Jews are in the wrong, that Zionism is racism, etc. But when African-Americans return to their homeland and do the same thing as today's Jews do, they are applauded, or at least there is not European wrath at the Americans.

The double-standard of the Europeans could not be more clear. The Europeans are anti-Semetic to the core.

[Pekka]

Nah, you're just anti-euro!

[Ned]

Pekka, Well I first began reading these posts in the off topic forum, I was indeed appalled by the bulk of European attidudes and posts.

America and Israel today have no greater enemy than Europe.

I am convert from an idealist view of Europe. I am definitely today anti-European. I had NO idea how racist the Europeans actually were. I will, from now on, be among the most vocal opponents if Europe ever agains needs anything from the United States. I would immediately freeze military cooperation, for example. Get the f&ck out of our way or declare war. Your choice.

FU!

Siro, regarding your reaction to CNN. CNN and most of the rest of American media are leftists. The leftists in the United States are increasingly like the racist Europeans. It is a wonder that the official Democratic party remains pro-Israel.

I understand, though, that the American Jewry has not failed to see the increasing raciism of the American and European left. They are becoming Republican.

As well, and you might be surprised at this, 41% of Blacks in the US are identifying themselfs with the Republican party. Only two years ago, 93% of blacks voted for Gore.

[Rogan Josh]

Originally posted by Ned
I am definitely today anti-European. I had NO idea how racist the Europeans actually were.

Aren't these two sentences together rather hypocritical?

[Ned]

Rogan Josh, Obviously you live in Europe. When you live in a place, you at times do not know how others who do not live there perceive you.

I know, abundantly, that the view of the US in Europe is reaching new lows due to our agressiveness.

You should know how one American feels about Europe. I can guarantee that many other Americans feel the same way. The anti-European mood in the United States is growing the more we learn about Europeans attitudes on various issues that affect both of us.

There is still time to turn this around. Support for Israel and support for America in our mutual battle against terror will be more than appreciated.

[Adalbertus]

I am convert from an idealist view of Europe. I am definitely today anti-European. I had NO idea how racist the Europeans actually were. I will, from now on, be among the most vocal opponents if Europe ever agains needs anything from the United States. I would immediately freeze military cooperation, for example. Get the f&ck out of our way or declare war. Your choice.

And it's mainly you (and a few posters with similar opinions) why I have to struggle hard not to become massively anti-American.

[Datajack Franit]

CNN is completely incompetant, and the Palestinian spokesmen use it wisely to deliver their messages abusing inexact and lacking information.

Anyone remember Amanpour's interwiew to Arafat?

And it's mainly you (and a few posters with similar opinions) why I have to struggle hard not to become massively anti-American.

Agreed. It's this kind of typical american arrogance that helps fundamentalists brainwashing people

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Datajack Franit




LOL sure, and as there are italian speaking persons in Greece because of Mussolini occupation in WW2 I want Rhodos back now!

what mussolini occupation? the italians run back to mama with the greek d!cks firmly inside their arseholes

oh, you must mean the german occupation

actually the dodecanese were part of italy for a long time before WW2. hence some people migth speak italian (no more than a handful though) and some are catholics.

that was even before WW2. after WW2, we got these islands as well. beautiful castles you've build there BTW.

Hey isn't Paiktis that greek cottage cheese?

no, actually is an italian hero from WW2

(whats the thinest book in every library? the book of italian WW2 heros, it's empty )

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Heresson
Poles didn't give their jews/Jews to Germans either. Why should this state be built on our territory?
Anyway eastern Pomerania=western Prussia.
There should be no Jewish state unless yYou'll find a territory where no-one else lives and no-one had lived
and that would be hard.

Your opinion versus the rest of the world's. I'll take the world's opinion over a Polish nationalist's, especially considering what happened to the remaining Polish Jews after the war.