Regime change

[Ned]

Those of you who opine negatively on Bush seem to me to be living in some kind of bizzare fantasy world. There are really evil people out there who mean us harm. To suggest that Bush is the problem is f**king unbelievable.

The critizism I have of Bush is that he has not been aggressive enough. For example, Saudi Arabia is a leading promoter of terrorism. But Bush and the Saudi's get along just fine, thank you. Perhaps Bush has a plan for the Saudi's, but many of us do not like coddling terrorist regimes.

[Giancarlo]

I now know that 20 fools have voted for GWB out of their ignorance. Can those fools take this advice please: Find a door. Slam your head so ****ing hard against it so your head can start working again.

[Ned]

Fez, What beef do you have with Bush?

[Buck Birdseed]

Are you suggesting that Bush is not evil? *s******* American naivite can be refreshing, but honestly, don't apply it to world politics.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by Fez
I now know that 20 fools have voted for GWB out of their ignorance. Can those fools take this advice please: Find a door. Slam your head so ****ing hard against it so your head can start working again.

Whoo perhaps you need a bit of help.

Perhaps a third option to take them both down would win if it was there. This way it is a hard choice.

But surely a leader of worlds only superpower can do more damage than a puny leader of an country that might be making some wicked weapons and wants to let inspectors in once he got frightened. (and who might die of old age soon as well).

[Boris Godunov]

Fez, seriously...get some help. An anger management course would do you a lot of good.

If the "regime change" in question is, for the U.S., an election that doesn't threaten stability, I vote Bush, by a hair, on the sheer fact that he has much more influence and his policies have much more impact on the world. He has, single-handedly, squandered every bit of good will to the U.S. around the world.

Still, Saddam should go as well. Anyone who gasses his own people needs to be gone. I just don't want a manufactured war to do it.

[Giancarlo]

Boris, you get some help. And anybody who voted for removing Bush should get help too.

[Ned]

Fez, Again, what is your beef with Bush?

[Buck Birdseed]

Originally posted by Fez
Boris, you get some help. And anybody who voted for removing Bush should get help too.

Help overthrowing bush?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Buck Birdseed


Help overthrowing bush?

Help fixing what is screwed up with their heads.

[Ned]

BG, Define "squandered."

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Ned
Fez, What beef do you have with Bush?

Are you talking to me? I never said I was against Bush, Mr. monkey brains. Infact I have said again and again people who vote for having him removed need serious mental help.

[spartak]

Fez and Ned - Cool It willya. Use some logic - despite Sept 11 the USA is not universally popular and is picking up a reputation as an international bullyboy. Now why might that be? Well perhaps because the US is turning into an international bullyboy. Is this good for the world? No. Is this good for the US? Hmm in the shorterm probably but in the longer term? No.

Explain to me how supporting ther Israelis against the Palestinians is helping the cause of middle-east peace? Or perhaps how removing Saddam (settling old scores is a more accurate description of this) is going to help the US in the longer term? Toppling Saddam will undoubtedly lead to greater instability in the middle-east and I'm not sure that places like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Iraq & Syria need a popular upsurge of Islamic brotherly feeling right now. In case you hadn't noticed, the middle-east going up in flames would totally wreck the supply of oil to the west and when that happens - bye-bye world economy.

Now I realise that a lot of Americans struggle to see a longer view but surely anyone who attempts any meaningful analysis of the situation in the middle-east right now must see that what isn't needed right now is greater instability or anything that might lead to uprisings and an uopswell fo islamism in unstable countries which currently have (nominally) pro-western governments.

This doesn't mean that saddam is good but try and see things from a wider perspective that just 'ol "USA USA"! Bush's attempts to remove Saddam is not only potentially ruinous to us all, but is squandering all that pro-US feeling that the atrocities of Sept 11 caused.

Two wrongs do not make it right.....

[Giancarlo]

I am not going to even argue with false reasoning.... I was in the middle of typing a long response, Spartak... but I found out that would be a very bad idea. Because it doesn't get into your's and among others head that America is not a bully. They just need somebody to bash so they go after America. Bigoted SOBs.

[Ned]

I'm sorry Fez, when you said "vote," I took you to mean "vote" for Bush in the US elections.