"I know we are the greatest nation in the world"

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by notyoueither


F*k off. Like two RN ships never ran into each other. Get a life and don't expect others to be so perfect for your amusement.

To be fair our ships hit well charted rocks not each other

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Deathwalker
Except for the odd missle that misses it's target

Accidents aren't murder.

[Solly]

A missile is never fired by accident, jsut like a gun isn't.

You can't fire a gun at a wall, miss, and accidentally hit someone in the brain and not get done for murder.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Boddington's
A missile is never fired by accident, jsut like a gun isn't.

You can't fire a gun at a wall, miss, and accidentally hit someone in the brain and not get done for murder.

Yes you can

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Deathwalker


It's funny how in books America weapons always work perfectey. E.G. The Bear and the Dragon by Tom Clancy Yet in real life that's not quite true. Maybe Clancy should watch the news next time he writes a book

Tom writes both sides of the conflict. Makes fictional wars easier that way. Real ones tend to be a bit messy.

[Solly]

No, you can't.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Boddington's
No, you can't.

If you fire a gun at a wall and were not aware of anybody else about and you couldn't reasonably be expexted to know anyone was there then you could not be convicted of murder if a ricochet killed someone

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Well that means your it! Have fun.

I am not IT. I am Ethelred.


Irish-American also.

No I don't like the IRA. Then again I don't live in Boston.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Boddington's
A missile is never fired by accident, jsut like a gun isn't.

You can't fire a gun at a wall, miss, and accidentally hit someone in the brain and not get done for murder.

This is a war not some idiot firing off a gun to celebrate New Years Day(yes idiots do that). The only way you can claim a misfired missile in a war constitutes murder is if you also claim that it would have murder if it hit the right target.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by TheStinger


If you fire a gun at a wall and were not aware of anybody else about and you couldn't reasonably be expexted to know anyone was there then you could not be convicted of murder if a ricochet killed someone

Actually in the US you could be convicted of involuntary manslaughter. However that is not the same as firing a missle that is intended to kill an enemy in warfare.

[Roland]

Originally posted by Ethelred


Excuse me. I was thinking of the other crap Bush is trying for. The Patriot Act can not take away Constitutional rights. The Supreme Court won't allow that. This isn't Britain. We have a Constitution and the Bill of Rights cannot be overturned by a mere law.

You aren't up do date. For now an english court has struck down at least one anti-terror-measure in the UK. While the US supreme court has been practically useless on constitutional rights for years now...

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Ethelred


Actually in the US you could be convicted of involuntary manslaughter. However that is not the same as firing a missle that is intended to kill an enemy in warfare.

Fair point, i was talking about murder which is only defined by common law in england. ALthough we do have manslaughter although the sentence varies greatly
depending on the circumstances.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Ethelred
I thought I said it clearly. That red_jon is having fantasies in his claims that Britain doesn't do those things.

Britain doesn't do those things (at least actively try not to!), what you're talking about happened 57 years ago. What you did say clearly is that we did resort to the same tactics the US did. I'm not proud of what the UK did on that fateful day - you don't seem to care!

The US is not murdering civilians in Afganistan and neither is Britain. The US and Britain have intentionly killed civilians in the past. Neither are doing that now.

I'm sure the UK and the US didn't intentionally kill civilians in Dresden - what are you saying!!?

Just because the UK and US dropped over 3,500 tons of High Explosive and Incendiary bombs on a city with many wooden building doesn't mean they were targeting the 600,000 civilians, wounded and allied POW's - no, they were aiming for the buildings. That those civilians were there was merely an unhappy coincidence...

I don't dispute the fact that US doesn't intentionally kill civilians - what I do dispute is whether they overly care if they happen to kill civilians...

There is far too much anecdotal evidence that the US really doesn't care if civilians happen to die when they're attacking military targets throughout WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Nicaragua, Laos, Cambodia, Panama, Iraq, Serbia and Afghanistan just to name a few off the top of my head...

THAT is why the US doesn't want to be held accountable to international War Crimes Courts - they know they kill thousands of civilians needlessly, even if they don't specifically intend to!

In that regard, we are not like the US and don't intend to be - why is also probably a good reason as to why we've never had 4 passenger planes hijacked and rammed into several of our national landmarks...

Get with the program - nobody will like US in the rest of the World while it continues it's arrogant 'we are the greatest BS'...

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Roland
While the US supreme court has been practically useless on constitutional rights for years now...

Rubbish. The Supreme Court knocks down laws every single year.

[Deathwalker]

F*k off. Like two RN ships never ran into each other. Get a life and don't expect others to be so perfect for your amusement.

Well at least there wasn't a house in between the ships disk head

Tom writes both sides of the conflict. Makes fictional wars easier that way. Real ones tend to be a bit messy.

Sorry your right in books can't really cover every aspect of a war they would have to thousands of pages long