"I know we are the greatest nation in the world"

[Dinner]

If they had done it more forcefully in 1916 then there wouldn't have been a Republic of Ireland.

[DanS]

"How do you think the rest of Europe, the USA and the rest of the world would have reacted to occupation of the Republic of Ireland on the grounds of anti-terrorism."

Isn't it being occupied now?

[chequita guevara]

I think he meant by a foreign power.

[DanS]

Britain is a foreign power.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by ThePantaloonDog
The US Constitution has allowed a lot of protections such as allowing US citizens to be jailed for an indefinite amount of time for the "War Agaisnt Terror".

Unless you can somehow support that claim it doesn't. Only if a person is convicted of a crime and the sentence is for life can that happen. US citizens have the right to a speedy trial. The Supreme Court has defined that pretty clearly as being within 30 days of and arrest. A person can only be held without arrest for 3 days. The accused does have the option to give up the right to a speedy trial for the purposes of assembling a defense, which can take a lot time occasionally.

Perhaps you think that members of the Al Queda network are US citizens. They aren't and they aren't protected by the US Constitution. I think that is why Bush is holding them at Guantanomo so he can avoid holding them in the US itself where they might fall under civilian laws even though they are not citizens.

[chequita guevara]

Ethelred, at least two US citizens have been held incumincado for much longer than three days. Jose Padilla and at least one other citizen have been denied access to lawyers during questioning, held in military brigs, etc. Even when told by courts to allow the lawyers the government has refused.

The point to make, however, is this is extremely rare.

[Loif]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


It's not that he's speaking his mind that I mind. It's that he's speaking for us. And frankly, I find his stance a little hypocritical, talking about how great we are cuz we kick ass when his country lives in our shadow and doesn't do anything.

Doesn't do anything. Right. Excuse me, but our troops were over there until a few weeks ago as part of the coalition. Four of our soldiers were killed in "friendly fire". Or have you forgotten that? I won't. I live in the city where those boys were stationed out of. Tell their families that they didn't do anything. No, they only lost their lives trying to defend the rest of the WORLD against terrorism.

[Jac de Molay]

Ethelred, at least two US citizens have been held incumincado for much longer than three day

And over a thousand immigrants, legal or otherwise, have been held in similiar conditions. It's been well-established that they too are entitled to proper due process.

This is your War on Terror on drugs.

Dave

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by DetroitDave
And over a thousand immigrants, legal or otherwise, have been held in similiar conditions. It's been well-established that they too are entitled to proper due process.

The Courts are finally starting to sort that mess out though.

[Provost Harrison]

I find it quite amusing that NYE makes all these arguments over the brilliance of the US and how every other country is a failure because it didn't put up the same level of resources as the US in the Afghan campaign. Excuse me, but what exactly did Canada do that was so special? Did it donate the same level of support as the UK? I don't think so. The US was very much running that show, and whether the whole scenario was completely political gesticulation, the US wanted to perform the operation very much on it's own, but wanted to demonstrate that it's allies were overflowing with support and offering military assistance but were 'politely declined' as it wanted to exact it's revenge on it's own.

But NYE doesn't understand that.

You see why people think Canada is the 51st state?

Oh and Cali, what kind of a post was that? Kindly do not return to the commonwealth again

[Loif]

We didn't do anything more special than anyone else. It just bothers me when people make blanket statements like that "oh, they didn't do anything". Undoubtedly the US is the strongest country in the world. Undoubtedly they could have carried this out on their own, no problem. I think that asking other countries to help out was the right thing to do though. I believe in fighting for freedom and was proud that my country is a part of that fight. We may be smaller and a hell of a lot weaker, but we were there and will be there again.

[DanS]

Loif. You're basing your posts on a strawman put in place by che, not by anything said by NYE.

What is this? Tag team?

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Ethelred, at least two US citizens have been held incumincado for much longer than three days. Jose Padilla and at least one other citizen have been denied access to lawyers during questioning, held in military brigs, etc. Even when told by courts to allow the lawyers the government has refused.

The point to make, however, is this is extremely rare.

However he claimed the Supreme Court has contenenced this action. The people involved in stonewalling like this are liable to wind up in jail for contempt of court.

Hey mayby they can nail Bush on if it goes far enough.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by DetroitDave


And over a thousand immigrants, legal or otherwise, have been held in similiar conditions. It's been well-established that they too are entitled to proper due process.

This is your War on Terror on drugs.

Dave

Its been well established that the due process is one of proving they aren't citizens.

The alleged War on Drugs isn't mine.

[chequita guevara]

Not a strawman, DanS, hyperbole.

Loif, I was exaggerating for emphasis. The truth is, I'm well aware that Canada is contributing only what we will allow you to contribute, and that like most of our allies, you wished to contribute much, much more. Heck, if it weren't for our Allies, the Afgani government would probably already have fallen, showing the US "concern" about post-Taliban Afganistan for the lie that it is.

However, it irritated the heck out of me that NYE was talking about how great the US was compared to the Euros for their lack of particiaption when Canada is in exactly the same situation.