"I know we are the greatest nation in the world"

[red_jon]

And how do you even know if the people America 'brought to justice' were responsible for the attacks? Did the US government ever release the evidence? How do you know the right people were attacked in revenge?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by red_jon


What about the 'patriot act' and other abuses of civil rights in their homeland? It seems to me that the US public is being washed away inyo someone else's grand plan. And they currently have the opportunity to become the most powerful people in documented history.

Not your concern son. They will manage their own affairs quite nicely. They always have since the time they kicked your ilk out of their lives.

They already are, and have been for some time the most powerful people in human, let alone documented, history.

They'll do just fine. They done better than most every one else.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by red_jon


I thought the majority of Americans like him now?

Approving of the job he is doing is not the same as liking him. The majority approved of Clinton also. Presidents are usually aproved of in times of trouble unless they are doing nothing at all. What counts is how many approve of Bush come Election day and if he doesn't get the economy back on track he will lose.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Tolls
"Yup. Thats what real countries do when their citizens are being murdered by thugs, whether in uniform or not."

Let's see..during the period we had troops actively deployed in Northern Ireland, shooting terrorist suspects, rumbling around in APCs and locking up anyone we fancied, we had the worst series of terrorist attacks in Northern Ireland and on the mainland...since we actually started talking to them (initially in secret) and began a push for peace, and withdrew the troops to barracks (and eventually withdrawing most of them) we have had a rather easier time of it (barring the nutters in the Real IRA).

Looks to me like the war-war was something of a failure at protecting us...and the jaw-jaw approach has had far more success.

In other words you're talking out of your arse...

And of course during this period, funding from all those people in the States nostalgic of their homeland went through the roof.

[red_jon]

Originally posted by notyoueither


I am saying that nations should protect their own when attacked. If you choose not to, your problem.

Don't ***** when you've *****ed the Mercans out of caring, when some European or other threat comes to carry you away from your safe, warm, complacency.

Get a frikin life and realize that the world is a lot bigger than the nice safe sand box you assume is the norm.

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The Europeans complacent? We are all too aware of the consequences of war and too much government power.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Tolls
"Yup. Thats what real countries do when their citizens are being murdered by thugs, whether in uniform or not."

Let's see..during the period we had troops actively deployed in Northern Ireland, shooting terrorist suspects, rumbling around in APCs and locking up anyone we fancied, we had the worst series of terrorist attacks in Northern Ireland and on the mainland...since we actually started talking to them (initially in secret) and began a push for peace, and withdrew the troops to barracks (and eventually withdrawing most of them) we have had a rather easier time of it (barring the nutters in the Real IRA).

Looks to me like the war-war was something of a failure at protecting us...and the jaw-jaw approach has had far more success.

In other words you're talking out of your arse...

And you never crossed the border to get the bad guys where they were being happily harboured.

Gaurd your own a*s, then come talk to me. Thanks.

[red_jon]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Not your concern son. They will manage their own affairs quite nicely. They always have since the time they kicked your ilk out of their lives.

They already are, and have been for some time the most powerful people in human, let alone documented, history.

They'll do just fine. They done better than most every one else.

I was talking about the administration as the most powerful people in history. Now is they perfect time for them to get more and it looks like they are doing it.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by notyoueither


And you never crossed the border to get the bad guys where they were being happily harboured.

Gaurd your own a*s, then come talk to me. Thanks.

IIRC the Republic allowed some cross border intervention.

[Tolls]

So let me get this straight...you think that us invading Eire in the 70s would have had a better result than the talks that have halted IRA attacks for the past 5+ years?

You, sir, are insane...please, never, never, NEVER go into the foreign service.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by red_jon
And how do you even know if the people America 'brought to justice' were responsible for the attacks? Did the US government ever release the evidence? How do you know the right people were attacked in revenge?

They don't need to satisfy you Johny Bull. In fact, I'd be amazed if they tried.

Responsible for the attacks?

How about they were crowing about it and daring the Mercans to do something about it? Guess they were surprised they weren't dealing with a bunch of later day Brits!

[Sprayber]

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by red_jon


What about the 'patriot act' and other abuses of civil rights in their homeland?

Let us know when the Act passes and becomes law will you.

And they currently have the opportunity to become the most powerful people in documented history.

Too late. We allready are. Perhaps in the future a United Europe will be the most powerful. As long as its a democratic state I don't think the US will be hurting.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Tolls
So let me get this straight...you think that us invading Eire in the 70s would have had a better result than the talks that have halted IRA attacks for the past 5+ years?

You, sir, are insane...please, never, never, NEVER go into the foreign service.

Also Ted Kennedy would probably have been elected president on the issue of ridding the world of the evil Brits

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Tolls
So let me get this straight...you think that us invading Eire in the 70s would have had a better result than the talks that have halted IRA attacks for the past 5+ years?

You, sir, are insane...please, never, never, NEVER go into the foreign service.

I won't. Last thing I'd ever want to do is serve a government of panzies that leads a nation sick at the thought of defending it's own citizens from foreign, hostile agression.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Ethelred

Dresden wasn't hundreds of years ago.

And you're trying to say what exactly? That we're as bad as you - yes IMO Dresden was our darkest hour, but before you starting flinging that particular accusation, kindly remember that it was a co-ordinated attack with the Americans. IIRC we started the firestorm and you guys came in and bombed and strafed the survivors and rescuers the next day...

You're funny NYE, Canada just hides behind the US's apron strings - no one's ever going to waste their time bombing such an insignificant target...