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  • #46
    Originally posted by Peacemaker Smoking doesn't bother me nor as I worried about the health risk, Everyone is going to die anyway.
    And for an existentialist like me... smoking is the stupidest thing one can do. Lets say you start smoking at 16, and have lung cancer (highly probable) or some other kind of cancer by 30, you die because of that. That is like throwing your life away.

    As someone said it would be better to live and enjoy life to a good old age, rather then fill yourself with disgusting chemicals and die early.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #47
      There is nothing I hate more than having smoke in my face but forcing a business owner to ban smoking in THEIR business is bull****. If you dont like to eat in a smoky restaurant, then don't go there. If you dont like to go to a smoke filled club then dont go there. You guys just go along with it because you dont like smoking. Wait till the goverment decides that YOUR particular habit should be discouraged and keeps you from going there. Then you will be on this board *****ing and whinning about the evil politicians.


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      Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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      • #48
        Sprayber: The government is trying to prevent its citizens from basically committing suicide.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #49
          Originally posted by joseph1944

          But dying at 95 is better than 35 w/lung cancer.
          Well I'll be 35 in a couple of months don't have lung cancer since I dont smoke.


          Originally posted by Fez

          And for an existentialist like me... smoking is the stupidest thing one can do. Lets say you start smoking at 16, and have lung cancer (highly probable) or some other kind of cancer by 30, you die because of that. That is like throwing your life away.

          As someone said it would be better to live and enjoy life to a good old age, rather then fill yourself with disgusting chemicals and die early.
          Well then I guess you should put your efforts into a total ban on the sale and posession of tobacco. If you want to argue about anything then argue this rather than a ban on public smoking.
          God---He's my favorite fictional charater.----Homer Simpson

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          • #50
            Am I the only one that finds it odd that the mayor's proposed ban is going to stop smoking in NYCs cigar bars?
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Fez
              Sprayber: The government is trying to prevent its citizens from basically committing suicide.

              Then they should keep stupid people from driving. Ban fast food, Ban cars that go over 30 MPH, Ban microwave ovens, Ban people from going out at night, Ban the Jerry Springer Show, and Ban women from wearing thight fitting clothing.


              Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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              • #52
                Delaware is currently flirting with a similar law. It has passed our Senate and is waiting for the Gov. Minner's signature, unless she chickens out at the last minute. The law is causing a lot of controversy.
                "In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
                —Orson Welles as Harry Lime

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                • #53
                  How about this idea: require bars and restaurants to pay for a licence if they want to have a smoking area.
                  Golfing since 67

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Tingkai
                    How about this idea: require bars and restaurants to pay for a licence if they want to have a smoking area.

                    Interesting idea Tingkai.
                    Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                    • #55
                      I read somewhere that banning smoking in restaurants increases their business. Seems counterintuitive, but it's not. There are way more non-smokers than smokers, and making the restaurants more pleasing to them will make them eat out more.
                      (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                      (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                      (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                      • #56
                        A smoking (or non-smoking) section is completely useless unless it is hermetically sealed from the rest of the place and uses an independent HVAC (heating, ventilation, and air conditioning) system.
                        (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                        (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                        (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                        • #57
                          Great idea.

                          The main problem with pubs and bars is that they are all completely open; there can be someone smoking 10 metres from you and if the air currents in the pub are right, it can be as strong as if you are stood a metre away.

                          Effective ventilation and well segregated smoking areas (put them in their own room so all the smoke is trapped in there) will reduce the problem vastly.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                            I read somewhere that banning smoking in restaurants increases their business. Seems counterintuitive, but it's not. There are way more non-smokers than smokers, and making the restaurants more pleasing to them will make them eat out more.
                            That may be true for restaurants, but what about nightclubs? As I mentioned, the guy in Vancouver seemed to do everything right and lost his shirt with a non-smoking night club.

                            And if it is true, you would expect that market forces would dictate that a larger and larger percentage of restaurants would go non-smoking. So there is no need for regulation.
                            What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?

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                            • #59
                              I guess I am the only one that thinks it strange that smoking in cigar bars is going to be banned.
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                              • #60
                                Oh you smoke echy? Think it's about time you took my quote down then, you aren't a perfect specimen after all

                                Whats amusing is places that have designated smoking and non smoking sections and they are only divided by a partition....its ridiculous.
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