Just Naturalize Them Already

[DanS]

Why do we insist on playing an illegal immigration charade? We have millions of people who work in the US, their employers want them, but they are illegals.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47793-2002Aug5.html

Eventually, you just have to document them and make them American citizens, no? What is to be gained by not giving them regular status? Are we actually going to kick them out?

[David Floyd]

We can abolish immigration laws when we abolish things like the minimum wage.

[CyberGnu]

Isn't the justification 'if we naturalize them we'd get 5 million new illegal mexicans overnight'?

[Dinner]

If they really wanted to stop illegal immigration all they have to do is fine the employers to death. Yep, that's right next time joe-blow meat packing company or acme fruit company wants to save a few bucks by hiring subminimium wage illegal workers the government should fine them $1million per illegal worker found at the company.

The result is the companies that get caught using illegal labor will be put out of business and corporate executives will begin to think twice about trying to get out of paying minimium wage. No jobs for illegal workers = no illegal workers.

[Shi Huangdi]

If they are illegal, why are they in this country? I am all for immigration, but we need to enforce our rules.

[CyberGnu]

Yeah, it is quite annoying to actually go through the hoops of being here legally, while it on one hand doesn't stop millions of illegal mexians, and on the other hand doesn't stop terrorists or determined cheaters either...

It would be like having a tax system without an IRS... Seriously, would you pay tax if you knew they didn't check your returns?

[Ethelred]

Just Naturalize Them Already

Against their will? Most illegal alliens are here to work not to become Americans. After they make some money a very large percentage goes back home.

[Gary]

If they don't find employment at Joe-Blow Meat Packing Company or The Acme Fruit Company doesn't that just leave them the option of crime to survive on ? Besides, if they aren't employed there you no longer know where to look for them. But if you're turning a blind eye, maybe that's not a problem.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Gary
If they don't find employment at Joe-Blow Meat Packing Company or The Acme Fruit Company doesn't that just leave them the option of crime to survive on ? Besides, if they aren't employed there you no longer know where to look for them. But if you're turning a blind eye, maybe that's not a problem.

You see my friend these people are intentionally breaking the law in order to gain economic benifit. They come to the U.S. because they know they can find a job here that pays much better then the Mexican national average which is around $2 per hour. The jobs are the magnet which draw them here ergo if there is no job then they would not come here.

There has been study after study done in University Sociology departments that show people follow the jobs. If you can't make a living in one place then people will go some where else. There are jobs in Mexico but people know they will find willing employers in the US who will higher them at $5 (which is below minimium wage but still more then twice what they'd get back home) so why stay in Mexico? Why bother to go through the process of legally entering a country if you can simply walk into the desert and sneak across at night?

You can round up an deport the illegals but as long as there are "good paying" (this is relative) jobs to be had there will always be someone will to rish arrest and deportation to get it. After all these people have nothing to lose, however, the employers do have something to lose. The threat of losing all the capital, hardwork, and time spent building a business would make even the most heartless capitalist think twice.

The problem is most employers are currently slapped on the risk. The illegals get deported but the company only pays a fine of around $100 per worker (this can go up for repeat offenders). By breaking the law the employer saves more then that every day or two so even if he is cought once every year or two he will still be up hundreds of thousands of dollars after paying the fine. There simply aren't enough negative effects to diswad employers from breaking the law. Thus we should make the punishment so harsh that these gready bastards are forced into bankruptcy.

[Hydey]

What happened to give us your poor?

did Uncle sam put up the no vacancy sign?

[Dinner]

They are welcome to come as long as they wait in line like everyone else. There is a legal process to get a visa and file as an immigrant but citizenship is not free and people are forced to study for citizenship tests in order to be granted an immigrant visa.

These people think they are to good to follow the rules and simply do what ever the hell they feel like. Every nation has the right to control its borders this includes being able to doing background checks to make sure people aren't wanted criminals, that they aren't smuggling drugs or contraband, that they aren't carrying infectious deseises, and intend to follow the laws of their new host country.

[Gary]

Interesting point, maybe you guys really are turnng a blind eye for the sake of cheap labour and the economy

[Gary]

Youll have to excuse Hydey. Being a criminal type is part of the entry requirements for Australia

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Gary
Interesting point, maybe you guys really are turnng a blind eye for the sake of cheap labour and the economy

No doubt about it. Every time someone starts to think about actually enforcing labor laws & the minimium wage in industries that attract a lot of illegals then the farm Owners and butcher companies all start throwing money at the politicians in order to continue the status quo. There are to many vested interests who want the cheap labor.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Gary
Youll have to excuse Hydey. Being a criminal type is part of the entry requirements for Australia