(Even) Turkey abolishes the death penalty!

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by MarkG

There are currently 160 people on death row in Illinois. Since capital punishment was reinstated in 1977, the state has handed down 263 death sentences and executed 12 inmates. During this same period, 13 individuals have been exonerated and released from death row after they were shown to have been wrongfully convicted. Of the 263 death sentences, about 60 percent were reversed due to police or prosecutorial misconduct, inadequate counsel or mistaken identity

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/ap...illi-a27.shtml

MarkG, you are showing nothing, None of these posts even suggest that someone was wrongfully executed. All it shows is that the US justice system sometimes makes mistakes, but that there are checks that counteract those mistakes (always before they get finalised!!).

The only they I can see your posts arguing for is for no prisons or justice system in the US at all. That idea is laughable, but if you are arguing for it, at least say so.

Jon Miller

[Asher]

Originally posted by MarkG
the system makes mistakes = the system sentences innocent people = the system kills innocent people

it's that simple!

Amazingly not a single one of your sources have said anything of the sort.

All of your sources keep saying that the appeal system worked.

[MarkG]

canada is anti-dp

- Contrary to predictions by death penalty supporters, the homicide rate in Canada did not increase after abolition in 1976. In fact, the Canadian murder rate declined slightly the following year (from 2.8 per 100,000 to 2.7). Over the next 20 years the homicide rated
fluctuated (between 2.2 and 2.8 per 100,000), but the general trend was clearly downwards. It reached a 30-year low in 1995 (1.98) --the fourth consecutive year-to-year decrease and a full one-third lower than in the year before abolition. In 1998, the homicide rate
dipped below 1.9 per 100,000, the lowest rate since the 1960s.

- The overall conviction rate for first-degree murder doubled in the decade following abolition (from under 10% to approximately 20%), suggesting that Canadian juries are more willing to convict for murder now that they are not compelled to make life-and-death decisions.

http://ccadp.org/deathpenalty-canada.htm

[Asher]

Mark: Don't get me started. Canada as a whole is, not the whole of Canada.

[MarkG]

If statistics are any indication, the system may well be allowing some innocent defendants to be executed.

— Justice Sandra Day O'Connor

http://www.usatoday.com/news/comment/2001-07-06-edtwof2.htm

[Asher]

Wow Mark, you've provided a quote from someone who said this MAY BE THE CASE.

You'd make an excellent lawyer.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by MarkG
the system makes mistakes = the system sentences innocent people = the system kills innocent people

it's that simple!

Your last = is wrong. It misses this result, the system checks many many many times to make sure that the person is guilty (especially for those on death row, they have many more appeals than anyone else), it catches the innocent person sentenced, and then they are let free. No innocent person dies.

Your statements are no different then

the system makes mistakes = the system sentences innocent people = innocent people get punished in prison

oh, that means that we should never send anyone to prison, that is so logical

Jon Miller

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Asher

Why? The crime rate in the suburbs is comparable to Europe, the incomes are higher, the taxes are lower, the weather is nicer.

because you can killed more easily or go to the death penalty wrongly

now if you live in a nice neighborhood and the country around you is sh!t, wouldnt you not care? if not, then im again sorry for you

I'm trying to figure out where you're going with this, and whether I need to explain myself again.
I'm a dual citizen, born and currently live in Canada. Have lived in the States, will live in the States after I graduate again.

But what does this have to do with me saying Canada has a lower crime rate than the US? Why did you tell me I had to "choose between being american and canadian" because of that?

because that's what we were talking about maybe?

where did canada ever come to the question except for you to say that u have a lower crime rate than the US when we compared EU - US?

Um...there's more to it than that.
Many groups don't like how the US supports Group A. The only real solution is for the US to go isolationist.

nah bull. the US has ****ed them now they **** her back. OBL is wacko but hes not the only one hating the US.

When you become powerful you end up stepping on SOMEONE's toes in some way. Even when being isolationist you take flak because "you're not helping the fellow man".

you're not killed for not helping, youre killed because you have killed. thats what the US did.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Asher

Canada is one of the most diverse countries in the world.
Political opinion from province to province varies greatly.

It's not very correct to stereotype the whole country based off one province's opinions.

correct or not, you sound like an american colonized canadian

[DinoDoc]

MarkG: Just admit that your original statement was bollocks instead of engaging in supposition that doesn't even serve to help your case.

[Jon Miller]

Or you are killed because they don't like what you do, or what race you are, or who you beleive in

people disliking you does not mean that you are in the wrong and that they are entirely justified disliking you

you cannot be that simpleminded Paiktis

Jon Miller

[Asher]

Originally posted by paiktis22
because you can killed more easily or go to the death penalty wrongly

The Suburbs don't exactly have a high murder rate.

now if you live in a nice neighborhood and the country around you is sh!t, wouldnt you not care? if not, then im again sorry for you

Have you been drinking?

because that's what we were talking about maybe?

where did canada ever come to the question except for you to say that u have a lower crime rate than the US when we compared EU - US?

Because we were talking about different society and cultures reflecting in the crime rate.

nah bull. the US has ****ed them now they **** her back. OBL is wacko but hes not the only one hating the US.

How does OBL not being the only person who hates the US prove anything?!

you're not killed for not helping, youre killed because you have killed. thats what the US did.

So people only murder others if they're murderers?

I don't think the world works like that.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Asher

The Suburbs don't exactly have a high murder rate.

so what? the rest of the country doesnt compared to the EU. will you leave only in the suburbs?

Have you been drinking?

so u wont care if the country is sh!t. i AM sorry for you.

Because we were talking about different society and cultures reflecting in the crime rate.

just EU - US.

How does OBL not being the only person who hates the US prove anything?!

prooves that they're not just a few wackos. its half the world. some managed to kill americans. thats the difference.

So people only murder others if they're murderers?

people kill those who have killed them (or theirs)

I don't think the world works like that.

believe it.

[MarkG]

you've provided a quote from someone who said this MAY BE THE CASE.

it should be enough. for a civilized country.


the fact that help was needed for you is enough for me....

[Asher]

Originally posted by paiktis22
so what? the rest of the country doesnt compared to the EU. will you leave only in the suburbs?

That's the idea.

so u wont care if the country is sh!t. i AM sorry for you.

You live in GREECE, what the hell are you talking about?

just EU - US.

Who gets to dictate that? You? When it helps your case only?

prooves that they're not just a few wackos. its half the world. some managed to kill americans. thats the difference.

People hate those who are on top -- it's that simple.

people kill those who have killed them (or theirs)

Among other reasons!

believe it.

You're quite the character...