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"I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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"to get a worthy contract, stated that visas for Kaliningrad citizens would offend their honour and stuff"
I suggest that they get used to it. Sovereign countries have a right to require visas for entry. If Lithuania and Poland are requiring them, then Russia can do precious little about it.
Full stop.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Right. Especially that it weren't us that wanted it, but EU, including mister Chirac. I just wonder if mr Putin is so naive that He believes that French liar."I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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It's an exclave, not an enclave. m If you want to bew fair, give it back to Germany. It's niether Polish nor Lithuanian. Otherwise, why should Russia give it up? Because it gives them an advantage? Maybe The US should give up its islands, too? How dare some countries be in better positions than others!
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Dan Severn of the Loose Cannon Alliance
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It's not German, it's not Polish and not Lithuanian. It'll stay Russian, unfortunatelly. You seem to miss the meaning of this thread. I don't claim that Kaliningrad should be returned to Poland. Though legally, according to Polish-crandenburgian/Prussian treaty of 1657, it should be returned to Poland after the end of Hohenzollern dinasty.
And they aren't ruling anything, are they?
Anyway, the topic of this thread is completely different."I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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Then you know nothing about problems of that kind.Serb;
In fact I can't movbe freely to Polish cities, to Berlin, to Opawa, to Kiezmark, to Lwów, to Grodno, to Wilno and to Królewiec for example..., but except for those I can,
but Poland doesn't have exclaved territories or colonies.
No. It is you who perhaps forget about one simple thing. We have an agreement with those countries, while they weren’t a part of EU. An agreement by which Kaliningrad’s citizens could move to “main” Russia” without any visas. As long as they decided to join EU they should think that this decision would heart RIGHTS of other people in foreign countries. Both of the sides should find a compromise solution, because no one in Russia don’t prevent include of Baltic states in EU (because they are sovereign countries, but WE HAVE A TREATY) and no one in EU don’t deny that Russian citizens of Kaliningrad has right to move within their country freely.Russians have full right to move freely in between their borders. But Poland and Lithuania, if You ahve forgotten, are not iin your borders.
Blah, you portray it like ONLY the problem of private citizens. The situation is far away from picture you are trying to portray. The administrative center of Russian Federation SHOULD have full access to one of its territories; to have capability to manage it’s properly. All kind of access. Otherwise it will lead to isolation of this territory, all kinds of isolation: political, economical, cultural etc. THIS IS THE PROBLEM.You are free to use sea or air way.
I have no idea what the f*ck are you talking about.And tell me, is Turkey demanding a corridor through Georgia, Russia, Ukraine, Romania and Bulgria to Thrace?
Or Denmark through Sweden, Finland, Russia, Byelorus and Poland to Jutland? Kaliningrad is a bit more distant. Your pain!
Does citizen of Alaska should have visa to go through Canada to “main” USA?
Even after WW1 the victorious countries let an access for defeated Germany to its exclave.
Shut the f*ck up. Now you really drove my mad Heresson. Because one of the men who took Kenigsberg – one of the toughest nazi fortresses, was contused there, and now this man is paralyzed since more then a month, and more probably he will never walk again. This man is my grandfather. SO SHUT THE **** UP. Don’t you realize that sometimes your speeches are not funny? That your constant sayings like- “you should abandon this territory, you should abandon that territory, and you should give it to Poland.”. What have you done to control this territory? The history is very fair judge. No matter what you would say, everything will remain how this judge decided. Case is closet.You should have thought about that when You were taking it after ww2.Comment
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It was Lithuanian first then it went to Poland which in our mistatke we invited the germans there. And it was in poland till about the late 1600s. Then it became german in 1800s it became prussia, in 1920 it was split,in 1945 it was split again and became russian with a promise to give it back to lithuanaia in years.It belonges to Lithuana.
No one in the region wants the germans to have kallingrad we rather have the russians then the germans anyday.Comment
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Every citizen of sovereign country has also right to move freely within borders of it’s own country. We have an agreement with countries which gone be included in EU. The EU laws demands that those countries should abandon agreements with us. Why citizens our country should suffer because of EU rules?Originally posted by DanS
I suggest that they get used to it. Sovereign countries have a right to require visas for entry. If Lithuania and Poland are requiring them, then Russia can do precious little about it.
Why we can't find a compromise solution, a solution which don't heart rights of both sides?Comment
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The vast majority of the population in Kaliningrad is Russian, right? I don't think they would want to be handed over to another country... And I doubt that Lithuania wants to have an even bigger Russian minority within its borders.CSPAComment
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Gangerwolf, read at least the first post of this thread, then post. Bye.
It's either visas or no visas. The compromise were visas free of charge, and Moscow doesn't like it.
Your speech was interesting, Serb, I haven't looked on it from that side, but it hurts the rights of all countrie except for EU, then. Why aren't they protesting?
I'm no specialist on international law, but I guess that if
f.e Spain would liek to cut down on immigration by securing
its borders, Marocco can't treat it as violation of agreements,
can it... Every country have full right to make such border laws as it wishes. It's no two-side agreement, that's a law
of each state, so it's not a matter of some other country's
rights."I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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"We have an agreement with countries which gone be included in EU. The EU laws demands that those countries should abandon agreements with us. Why citizens our country should suffer because of EU rules?"
Agreements can be amended or abandoned, with adequate notice given.
"Why we can't find a compromise solution, a solution which don't heart rights of both sides?"
There are no "rights" in this instance, only an agreement. It is true that a compromise solution is probably best, but when push comes to shove, Lithuania and Poland can do what they think best.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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We cant do what we think is the best, because EU won't let us. Nevertheless, as the case is about our borders, mr Putin should negotiate with us not with EU directly."I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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"We cant do what we think is the best, because EU won't let us."
You think it is best to join the EU, and the EU has its requirements.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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We'll teach the EU respect when it lets us in... We'll let them see the fameous Polish Anarchy,."I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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nah, just switch the whole economy to agriculture and live off subsidies. given the size of the population, that should teach themWe'll teach the EU respect when it lets us in... We'll let them see the fameous Polish Anarchy
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