The Definitive Thread: US vs. Russia

[Verto]

I have enjoyed reading a page or so of Serb's patriotic propaganda.

Also, as far as I know, you never answered the question: Have you ever served in the Russian military? I would have to guess that the answer is no. So you lack any insight into the Russian military and capabilities, as well as that of the United States.

Again, I don't think anyone could tell who would win these hypothetical war, nor should you pretend that you can.

[Az]

damn, this thread is so funny. The whole topic is so fictional, and irrelevant, just as it was during the cold war, and you guys still waste your energies discussing this.

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by Azazel
damn, this thread is so funny. The whole topic is so fictional, and irrelevant, just as it was during the cold war, and you guys still waste your energies discussing this.

[SIZE=1]

This topic is not fictional. From May 1945 to m? 1990, how many times did the General staff in both the USSR and USA played this game. It was very real. A lot of men and maybe some woman when to their dead because of this little game. On two difference occasion the US and USSR were ready to go to Nuclear War.
You may have heard of the Cuba missile crisis and either the 67 or 73 Israelis war with the Arab.
The Soviet Union was going to put a stop to you guys beating the Arabs, and we (Nixon) told the Soviet to stand down or else. We went to Decon 3 or 2 over that incident.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by DanS
"And even if it wasn’t you forget that he is Greek God and he would help you anyway, because Greece is on our side."

You're thinking of Ares, not Mars.

Aris IS Mars you stupid soon to be exterminated yankee

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by paiktis22


Aris IS Mars you stupid soon to be exterminated yankee

They are only virtually the same. Mars was the Roman equivilant.

damn, this thread is so funny. The whole topic is so fictional, and irrelevant, just as it was during the cold war, and you guys still waste your energies discussing this.

It is ignorant fr you to inslt others' conversation topics. It is just as likely for us to think something you talk about is more so rediculous. Everybody is different and have different interests. Insulting ones coversation is as naive as insulting one's religion. btw, joseph1944 had a valid justification for this conversation

Kman

[Kramerman]

This is a major difference between us, you prefer to- 'run away to fight another day', while we prefer- “ni ****u nazad, russkie ne zdayutsa” (fight for last man standing).

*buries head in hands in frustration*
Dont you see, by running away to fight another day, we were able to inflict more enemy caualties on our enemies then they can to us. By 'fighting to the las man', you would do exactly that - fight until you are all annhyilated. Was is it so hard for you to grasp this? This is the only reason Veitnam was able to fight us off, if they would of fought until the last man in a field of battle, the war would have been over in a few months. Instead they would attack, then fade away into the jungle to fight again later, instead of sticking around for cluster bombs and napalm to be dropped on their head.

As for making the arrogant remark that you are better warriors simply because you country has known more adversity is proposterous. Our soldiers are highly comitted and hard fighters. In this sense our soldiers are probably equal, but as far as morale, unless the Russian military has changed significantly in the last few years since I saw some television program, our troops are vastly superior in that sense. Russian moral in the military at that time was very low, and standards for special forces like the Spetznaz and such were annually sinkling lower and lower in the need to fill their ranks. A testament to a modern American's fighting spirit can be found in the novel (or the movie, though the novel is more accurate) Black Hawk Down, by Mark Bowden. He poured through thousands of hours of radio transcripts and dozens of interviews to retell the story of the Battle, of Mogadishu - a little know firefight in Somalia in 1993. That shoud give insight into the abilities of just a hundred American soldiers. That is if you can find the book, such insiteful (IOW, insightful = Propaganda) material is likely banned in the Sovie...err.. I mean Russia.

Kman

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man

10 pages later...

[Serb]

Joseph,
no I wasn't in military.
And if I'll ever have a chance I'll visit your country. I also hope that war between our countries will never happen. The World have a lot of other problems today, problems such as terrorism. And it is good that we are an allies today.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Verto
I have enjoyed reading a page or so of Serb's patriotic propaganda.

Thank you.
I guess there is nothing wrong in a bit of Russian propaganda and Russian flag waving. If don't mind and if it doesn't annoy you I'll continue my hard mission of Russian flag waving.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Kramerman


*buries head in hands in frustration*
Dont you see, by running away to fight another day, we were able to inflict more enemy caualties on our enemies then they can to us. By 'fighting to the las man', you would do exactly that - fight until you are all annhyilated. Was is it so hard for you to grasp this? This is the only reason Veitnam was able to fight us off, if they would of fought until the last man in a field of battle, the war would have been over in a few months. Instead they would attack, then fade away into the jungle to fight again later, instead of sticking around for cluster bombs and napalm to be dropped on their head.

No you describe something different. It's tactic, while I was talking about strategy in general. Hit and run tactic you have described could be a part of "fight for last man standing strategy" too. During WW2 our partisan regiments done a great harm to nazi using this tactic. I was trying to say that during WW2 we had only two choices to win or to die. Sometimes if you will run today, tommorow could never happen, so you just has no right to run away. Many times during WW2 our army was in such situation. Sometimes (very often) we just haven't right to flee.

As for making the arrogant remark that you are better warriors simply because you country has known more adversity is proposterous. Our soldiers are highly comitted and hard fighters. In this sense our soldiers are probably equal, but as far as morale, unless the Russian military has changed significantly in the last few years since I saw some television program, our troops are vastly superior in that sense. Russian moral in the military at that time was very low, and standards for special forces like the Spetznaz and such were annually sinkling lower and lower in the need to fill their ranks.

It's funny that you mentioned Spetznaz. I should be one of them when I was 17. I don't know how it happen in States, but in Russia every guy during his last year of education in school must appear before bunch of medics who must decide in which regiments of army this guy could participate. So, when I visit those doctors, I was 17 and I was in damn good shape. I'm 189sm, 82 kg, I'm studied karate since I was 11 and 10km run was a peice of cake for me. They decided that I must join Voiska Specialnogo naznachedia MVD. (Speznaz ministery of internal affairs). It's a damn elite regiment. But, I go to university instead of army and during time of education in university I was free of military service by our laws. Five years I spent in university has a dramatical impact on my health. I abandon my trainings, started to smoke, to drink vodka and all those sleepless nights before exam days were a pretty big stress to. So, when I wake up one morning I had a feeling that smt wrong with me. When I finished the university and appeared before medics again they told me that I have serious heart problems and could forget not only about Spetznaz, but about military service in general. This is my sad story. Vodka is poison, sigaretes are killing you slowly, forget about those things if you care for your health. Now I drink only beer since long time.

A testament to a modern American's fighting spirit can be found in the novel (or the movie, though the novel is more accurate) Black Hawk Down, by Mark Bowden. He poured through thousands of hours of radio transcripts and dozens of interviews to retell the story of the Battle, of Mogadishu - a little know firefight in Somalia in 1993. That shoud give insight into the abilities of just a hundred American soldiers. That is if you can find the book, such insiteful (IOW, insightful = Propaganda) material is likely banned in the Sovie...err.. I mean Russia.

A testment of modern Russian military spirit can be found in two years old chronicals. Such as:
"As the minister of defense Igor Sergeev, arrived in Pskov for bestowing military honors to the perished Motherland defenders, said, "It is a feat, just a feat, when a small division managed to stop a large gang of hits and to create conditions for its destruction". On the specified data, the items defended by 90 paratroopers, were attacked by the grouping in 1700 hits. As a result the corpses of seven hundred hits were found on the battlefield, most of them died attacking 6-th combat company of the 104-th regiment."
86 of 90 were killed during this fight, but they didn't surrender.
Full story:

http://www.rg.ru/english/Archiv/2000/0315/1.htm

[Kramerman]

This is my sad story. Vodka is poison, sigaretes are killing you slowly, forget about those things if you care for your health. Now I drink only beer since long time.

Im sorry. That is sad. I am now 17 (and in damn good shape, may I add )and many a time have been neerly peer pressured into the stereotypical American high school ritual of drinking/smoking/drugs. I have never done any to this day, and hopefully never will. What you just said is actually somewhat inspiring.

Kman

[Serb]

Everything has its good sides. Five years I spent in university were the best years of my life. I have a lot of fun. But everything has its price also. I don't regret about anything actually. (well, perhaps only sometimes)