Yet again, Palestinian Claims Are Proven to Be False By the UN.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by faded glory
btw who are "you guys". Im getting really sick of people on this forum lumping the actions of ancestors together with people today.

So? You're a nation. The Palestinians are a nation. I didn't see you clamoring about referring to them collectively as lying...

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by faded glory
Of course its fine with you. You hate Israel and you dont really care about palestine. You just hope they can kill as many israeli's as possible.

Your accusation has no ground fg. I demand an apology.

Originally posted by faded glory
Moral Equivlancy is crap

It is? Your illogic is puzzling and your moral grounding is appalling. What you are staying here is some peoples are better than other peoples. The "superior" peoples can do whatever they want to the "inferior"ones, but the "inferior" ones are not allowed to fight back.

Great stance.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
well, that was because we wanted a rebellion

it was all PR

a lot more died when Britain tried to take our cities

also there were a lot less people arround back then

what is true is that taking urban (or rural) areas of a hostile populace will result in deaths, no ifs ands or buts about it

the question than becomes, to determine wether it is a massacre or not, is wether the number of deaths was uneedfully high

Jon Miller

How about all the Loyalists who were either hanged, assaulted or chased out of town, and had their property stolen to boot?

[KrazyHorse]

Bloody colonials.

[CyberGnu]

Dino, yeah, I should have included 'apart from the pro-Israelis'.

I was referring to this part though:

Of course, it seems to show that those who claim to trust the UN only do so when it supports what they want to believe, which would lead one to think that they are anti-what's that word?

I don't know who this statement is directed to...

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger

"Moral Equivalency is crap." (FG)

It is? Your illogic is puzzling and your moral grounding is appalling. What you are staying here is some peoples are better than other peoples. The "superior" peoples can do whatever they want to the "inferior"ones, but the "inferior" ones are not allowed to fight back.

Great stance.

UR,

I think he is actually referring to making the purposeful murder of civilians and the accidental killing of civilians (due to the fact that combatants are co-locating with civilians in civilian areas for this exact purpose) morally equivalent by dismissing both events as run of the mill warfare. Or as Apolyton's resident Israel haters like to do, condemning any Israeli action while refusing to condemn obvious and numerous cases of Palestinian murder of Israeli and other civilians. Ironically, this line of reasoning is only going to lead to another form of equivalence when the Israelis have really had enough and start firing time on target barrages into Palestinian funerals and demonstrations, or cutting off all water and food to Palestinian towns and telling a shocked world, "Let them eat bombs."

The conclusions you reach in your statement are the ones that make no sense in relation to what FG said in his. Are you saying that murdering civilians is an appropriate means of fighting back? If so why wouldn't it be appropriate for the other side to do the same? This is the sort of equivalence which has been a long standing basis for the laws of war. Is this no longer valid? Do we have to make sure that every side in a conflict has an equal amount of power before any laws apply to the weaker side? That will drag every conflict out forever and cause a lot of casualties, but I suppose no price is too great to pay for "justice".

[blackice]

Exactly

Too many examples of this in history to count........

[Heresson]

Since when Israelis notice UN?

[CyberGnu]

Since when they actually agree with one part of a long long report.

Don't worry, they'll ignore everything about human rights violations and war crimes as soon as possible.

[aaglo]

Is this thread another MEDL?

Well, yes. UN confirmed, that there was no massacre in Jenin. But can we trust the UN delegacy, that made the investigation? This was not the delegacy originally appointed by the UN (because Israel denied that group). And now the result is this with a group approved by Israel. This is one of those 'things that make you go '

[Eli]

I expected it to come much earlier.

Because this delegation is not filled with anti semites prejudiced against Israel it cant be trusted. Yep.

[aaglo]

Eli; do you mean, that because 'this delegation is not filled with anti semites prejudiced against Israel', everything this delegation says, must be the absolute truth?

Why should the rest of the world believe anything this delegation says? Was it approved by the palestines also? If so, then there is no problem

[Jaakko]

So Eli, do you think Mr. Ahtisaari and his delegation are "anti-semites prejudiced against Israel"?

[Eli]

How hard is it for you to accept that sometimes, sometimes, Israel can be right?

The Palestinians still claim it's a massacre, and that Israel uses strippers to seduce stone throwers and kill them.

[aaglo]

Israel has been so many times wrong, now I'm just being sceptic

Don't lose your lunch on this, boy.