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  • Yet again, Palestinian Claims Are Proven to Be False By the UN.

    Posting for Siro.

    UN report rejects claims of Jenin massacre
    Staff and agencies
    Thursday August 1, 2002


    A UN report into the fighting in the Jenin refugee camp will reject Palestinian claims of an Israeli massacre, but will criticise both sides for putting civilian lives at risks, western diplomats said today.
    The violence in the camp came during an Israeli offensive in the West Bank, launched after a suicide bomb attack that killed 29 Israelis.

    The Jenin incursion, which began in early April, was the heaviest fighting in Israel's six-week campaign that began on March 29 this year. The Israeli army lost 23 soldiers in the camp and, in the weeks after the battle, the Palestinian cabinet minister, Saeb Erekat, said that 500 people had been killed.

    The UN report, prepared by the secretary general, Kofi Annan, after Israel refused a fact-finding mission access to the camp, said 52 Palestinian deaths had been confirmed by April 18, and that up to half may have been civilians.

    It called the Palestinian allegation "a figure that has not been substantiated in the light of evidence that has emerged", the diplomats said.

    Israel, which had repeatedly denied any massacre took place, praised the report. It had previously claimed that 22 Palestinian gunmen were killed in the fighting.

    "Israel welcomes this finding, as well as the determination that the armed Palestinians deliberately took up position in a densely populated locality," a spokesman for the Israeli foreign ministry, Jonathan Peled, said.

    The Palestinian planning minister, Nabil Shaath, called the report an "important step" but criticised Israel's earlier refusal to cooperate with the UN.

    "I know it does not satisfy everybody and that it was not done in the way it should be, which is sending a commission to Jenin," he said.

    The report also looks into attacks on Palestinian cities by the Israeli army during the campaign.

    It says that 497 Palestinians were killed during Israel's incursion into the West Bank, according to the diplomats, almost double the death toll of 262 reported by the Red Crescent Society in the Palestinian territories for the same period.

    Israel is also accused of increasing the suffering of Palestinian civilians by imposing curfews, closing off cities and delaying access to medical care and humanitarian aid.

    Palestinian militants are charged with deliberately putting their fighters and equipment in civilian areas in violation of international law.

    The report is based on information from UN officials, the Palestinians, five UN member states, private relief organisations and documents in the public domain.

    "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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    Does this mean that Israel will be more cooperative with UN investigations from now on?
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    • #3
      Yeah, sure, Isreal will cooperate with the UN...

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      • #4
        ...and houses will be red, violets will be blue and furious monkeys will fly out of my ass...
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        • #5
          But I thought the UN was an Evil Anti-Semitic Arab Lackey, who is not to be trusted?

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          • #6
            . Noone ever said that , Jaakko.
            urgh.NSFW

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            • #7
              But I thought the UN was an Evil Anti-Semitic Arab Lackey, who is not to be trusted?


              And even they agree with Israel.
              "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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              • #8
                Mine was just a variant of Dino's troll.

                Anyways, if you do not trust the UN's methods (as evidenced by your distrust of the Ahtisaari commission), then why is this conclusion any more reliable?
                Relying on preconception doesn't tell of an analytical mind, people...
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jaakko

                  Relying on preconception doesn't tell of an analytical mind, people...
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                  • #10
                    Bah, Eli & co. just need a nudge to start elaborating on their reasoning, which I provided.
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                    • #11
                      Any chance you tell us where that quote came from?

                      And I agree with you, claiming it was a massacre while it turned out it was only 50+ people killed...

                      Good too to not mention that the report had some "nice" things to say about the IDF too...

                      All in all you get a from me....
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                      • #12
                        Well, at the time, I recall seeing interviews on TV with several Palestinian representative that I thought were restrained and reasonable people. They all insisted, as does CyberGnu, that hundreds were being killed in Jenin. These claims have proven to be false. And yet at the time these moderate government officians did not say that they "believed" there as a massacre going on, they said there were in fact hundreds killed.

                        Well, I now know that one cannot rely on anything a Palestinian government official says, even if he or she seems moderate and restrained. These people care nothing for the truth. They care more about spin and formenting hate against Israel.

                        It is good that this UN report has confirmed the truth of what actually happened. It is also shows the power of a free press.
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                        • #13
                          It is good that this UN report has confirmed the truth of what actually happened. It is also shows the power of a free press.

                          Yeah... And it also shows that people only read what they want to read... Like you skipping the parts about the IDF...

                          Anyways, this is a UN report, so why do y'all bother about it at all? The UN being a kommie and anti-American organisation and all?
                          Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
                          And notifying the next of kin
                          Once again...

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                          • #14
                            Ned, where on earth did you get that idea that I claim hundreds of people died in Jenin?
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                            • #15
                              However, the officials in the PA only repeated what the people coming out of Jenin told them. These were people who just escaped a warzone, notoriously unreliable as eyewitnesses. The PA initialy refused to comment on their tales of massacres, and only when it was clear that many palestinians did believe them did the PA demand a UN investigations in alleged massacres in Jenin.

                              But, in old israeli tradition, who are we to allow reality to smudgeon our conclusions about lying palestinians?
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