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  • #16
    Originally posted by Dan Severn
    Logically, why should Government officials be required to have no faith? Since the majority of americans are christian...
    That's not the problem. The problem is that a group of people with a milleniarian cult mindset are in charge of our country. These people believe that these are the end times. What kind of policy would come out of such a mindset?

    Well, according to the article, keeping Israel at war is one of those policies, because an Arab-Israeli war is supposedly the cue for the Rapture.
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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    • #17
      The problem is that a group of people with a milleniarian cult mindset are in charge of our country.
      I have to disagree there. I see no evidence of that.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #18
        That's because you only see what you want to see.
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #19
          Originally posted by chegitz guevara
          That's because you only see what you want to see.
          Same for you.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #20
            Che:

            Fez is right here (I didn't just say that ). There is no proof he is a milleniarian mindset. He is just writing a novel. People do write novels of fanciful things, you know.
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • #21
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • #22
                And Che, so under a dictatorship as your's people aren't allowed to practice their own beliefs? Let them have their site... what difference does it make?
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #23
                  I have no dictatorship. . . . well, in my EUII and CivIII games, but really, they don't count.



                  I think this is a good place to quote Kruschev on the advisability of repressing religion. "Christianity is like a glass of water. If you leave it alone, it just sits there. If you tip it over, it spreads everywhere."
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #24
                    But if you were a leader would you ban religion? I am atheist but I would respect others because people are entitled to their own beliefs.
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Caligastia
                      I grew up being taught that we were in the "end times", and that "Jesus is coming back soon". Its a terrible thing to believe, because if you really believe it then there seems to be little point in living.
                      I grew up being taught a similar thing, but have come to believe something different was meant, or should have been meant - We are all near judgement day, that day being the day we die, and so entirely subjective.

                      Unfortunately it means religious dogma is incorporated into govt policy.


                      I see no fundamental difference between religous dogma and other (such as social) dogmas and personal beliefs.
                      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Fez
                        But if you were a leader would you ban religion? I am atheist but I would respect others because people are entitled to their own beliefs.
                        You don't read much, do you? Since analgy seems to be beyond your ken, howabout this for an answer, no, I would not suppress religion. Wouldn't help though, either, as our government does. They'd have to pay taxes.
                        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin
                          I see no fundamental difference between religous dogma and other (such as social) dogmas and personal beliefs.
                          The difference is that religous dogma is promoted as being sacred. This also happens within other forms of dogma ("culture" is the new religion), but not to as great an extent.
                          ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                          ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                          • #28
                            Che, you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

                            Then again, you are a dirty commie .
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Caligastia


                              The difference is that religous dogma is promoted as being sacred. This also happens within other forms of dogma ("culture" is the new religion), but not to as great an extent.
                              The sacredness of it is not a practical implication. Most people don't think religious beliefs are sacred. I am a religous person, and regularly go to church, but I still question everything, even if its "sacred".

                              Maybe I give people too much credit, but I would think people believe religious teachings because it sounds reasonable and desirable, more than because they fear being damned for eternity if they don't believe.

                              I also think people are more likely to believe in the claims of commercial products than the claims of religous preachers.

                              People in government believing in economic falsehoods is scarier to me than those who believe in religous falsehoods.
                              One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Caligastia
                                No doubt he is a talented writer, but his message is one of propaganda and fear.
                                Actually, he isn't. The writing is horrible, full of technological errors and storyline inconsistancies. Not to mention the fact that he keeps introducing new characters for no better reason than he wants the opportunity to share another 'witness'-type story without killing off many of the old characters, so his characters are all wandering aimlessly through a more or less plotless book.
                                "In the beginning was the Word. Then came the ******* word processor." -Dan Simmons, Hyperion

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