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  • Our government is in the hands of milleniarians

    Fundamentally unsound

    The most popular novel in America right now is one in which the world is tyrannized by the former secretary general of the U.N., who operates from Iraq, and his global force of storm troopers, called "peacekeepers." Revered rabbis evangelize for Christ, repenting Israel's "specific national sin" of "[r]ejecting the messiahship of Jesus." Much of the world is deceived by a false prophet, part of the inner circle of the Antichrist, who seems a lot like the pope -- he's a Catholic cardinal, "all robed and hatted and vested in velvet and piping."

    "The Remnant," which debuted at No. 1 on the New York Times bestseller list, is the 10th entry in Jerry B. Jenkins and Tim LaHaye's phenomenally popular "Left Behind" series, a Tom Clancy-meets-Revelation saga of the Rapture, the Tribulation and, presumably, the eventual return of Jesus. Last year's "Desecration," the ninth volume of a projected 14, was 2001's bestselling hardcover novel. There is probably very little overlap between Salon's readership and the audience for apocalyptic Christian fiction, but these books and their massive success deserve attention if only for what they tell us about the core beliefs of a great many people in this country, people whose views shape the way America behaves in the world.

    After all, Tim LaHaye isn't merely a fringe figure like Hal Lindsey, the former king of the genre, whose 1970 Christian end-times book "The Late Great Planet Earth" was the bestseller of that decade. The former co-chairman of Jack Kemp's presidential campaign, LaHaye was a member of the original board of directors of the Moral Majority and an organizer of the Council for National Policy, which ABCNews.com has called "the most powerful conservative organization in America you've never heard of" and whose membership has included John Ashcroft, Tommy Thompson and Oliver North. George W. Bush is still refusing to release a tape of a speech he gave to the group in 1999.


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    "While it is true that in the broad spectrum of Protestant Christianity there are multiple views of the end-times scenario, the pre-millennialist theology found in the Left Behind Series is the prominent view among evangelical Christians, including their leading seminaries such as Talbot Seminary, Trinity Seminary and Dallas Theological Seminary."



    GAH!!!!! It's Reagan all over again!!!! How do these wing-nuts keep getting in to our government where they can shove their ancient Old Testiment moralities and insanities on us?
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #3
      I should think that as atheist as you claim to be, you'd be disturbed by a millenarian evengelical sect running our government.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #4
        I am tired of your weak arguments with unfounded evidence. And I happen to like Reagan.

        Anyways, I may be atheist but I see no solid evidence to support this argument.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #5
          Che, don't be silly. As long as rich people are making money, why should Fez care about what the government does or what views they hold?
          Tutto nel mondo è burla

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          • #6
            I grew up being taught that we were in the "end times", and that "Jesus is coming back soon". Its a terrible thing to believe, because if you really believe it then there seems to be little point in living.

            The fact that this writer is so popular is somewhat worrying, as many americans seem to have problems discerning fiction from fact. No doubt he is a talented writer, but his message is one of propaganda and fear.

            If theres one thing that keeps people in organised religion its fear. Fear of hell, fear of being "left behind" in the rapture, fear of God.

            God is a loving father, not a stern and legal monarch whose chief pleasure is to repremand us.
            ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
            ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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            • #7
              The government is the government. They don't hold any views besides governing those who put them there.

              And Boris quit spitting in my face with arbitrary arguments against my views.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Caligastia
                I grew up being taught that we were in the "end times", and that "Jesus is coming back soon". Its a terrible thing to believe, because if you really believe it then there seems to be little point in living.
                And when people who believe this are running the government . . . ?
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                  And when people who believe this are running the government . . . ?
                  There are many people holding different beliefs running the government, I even bet there are atheists, agnostics, muslims (well to a very small extent), jews, christians... etc. What one or two people think in the government does not make up what the entire government thinks.

                  Get my catch?
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #10
                    Fez, arbitrary arguments against arbitrary opinions is, IMO, perfectly sound. I don't think you really know what "arbitrary" means anyway. My post was based on everything you've said on this board, which is unquestioned support for capitalism and for those who claim to be its staunchest advocates, no matter what their other beliefs tend to be.
                    Tutto nel mondo è burla

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                      And when people who believe this are running the government . . . ?
                      That is a big problem.

                      Unfortunately it means religious dogma is incorporated into govt policy.
                      ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                      ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                      • #12
                        Boris: I don't care what other people believe, they have a right to believe in what they want. But I know the government has a variety of beliefs in it. Non-religious people to religious people take part in the government.

                        I don't give my unquestioned support to religious nuts because I don't like what they believe in.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #13
                          Logically, why should Government officials be required to have no faith? Since the majority of americans are christian...

                          Separation of church and state is a doctrine under which the government gives no money to, nor recieves no money from, religious powers. It does not imply atheism.

                          I don't hold such veiws, but why should the people elected be required to deny their faith? Seems to me you should make different choices in the voting booth...
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                          Dan Severn of the Loose Cannon Alliance
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                          ¡Mueran todos los Reyes!

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                          • #14
                            Alright Che, let's look at what we have here.. We have 1 of the authors of some book being an organizer for an orginzation that a few higher-ups in the administration were once part of. Hardly Scary. I see no evidence that GWB or the administration has any large-scale belief in this, nor have I seen any real large-scale attempt to impose Old-Testament morality on us-- all I can recall so far is banning aid to promote abortion worldwide, and restricting ceratin types of cloning reserach- but the latter of those actions was popular and supported by all types of Christians, not just a few far-right Protestants.
                            "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

                            "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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                            • #15
                              Dan, you are right... but in the government people do express their own views, and there can be atheists, christians, jews or even muslims taking part in the government. Afterall, the US government does not exclude people based on their religion. You may disagree with that statement but I will stand by it.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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