8 Children Killed in Israeli Attack

[CyberGnu]

- Jews are prosecuted around the world just for the fact that they are jews for nearly two thousand years. They are randomly massacred, they get very little rights if any, they are often disallowed to celebrate their holidays and act according to their traditions and they have to pay protection taxes to the authorities, if they're lucky.

And this is relevant how?

[Pavlov]

Originally posted by Shiber
The Air Force: blamed for choosing a 1kg bomb for this operation. However still, the bomb was VERY precise and
wouldn't have killed anyone unless the terrorist's wife and children were at home and unless this was a standard apartments block and not a block with many improvised apartments that were built between existing ones and with barely no space between them, which leads us to:

The General Security Service (was in charge of intelligence in this operation): blamed for conducting sloppy espionage which determined that:
A. The terrorist's wife and children will not be at home at the time of the attack.
B. There will be no other civilians within the abovementioned laser-guided bomb's blast radius nor will any nearby apartments be severely damaged, resulting in the death of nearby tennants.
Surely some high-ranked officer is going to get relieved due to this misfortunate screw-up.

If officers AND journalists think that you can use a bomb in a residential area and NOT kill civilians their pretty damn naive. There is no such thing as surgical bombing.

[CyberGnu]

- Roughly a hundred years ago: Jews get sick of it all, decide that it's impossible to fight off antisemity and/or live safely within other nationalities, as Jews are the only nationality which are scattered throughout Europe rather than have a territory of their own and therefore are considered a plague by most Europeans and are mistreated. Jews collect money, mostly from donations as most Jews were very poor that time, buy lands from the Turkish empire (yes, buy, not steal) which the Turks never wanted or had any use for anyway (completely uninhabited lands, most of which were on or near swamplands) and begin to build villages and an agricultural infrastructure.

Edit:missed the timeline.

A 100 years ago the jewish population of palestine was 25.000. The small influx of jewish settlers were encouraged by the palestinian population, as they brought new farming techniques and hard currency in with them. In 1920 the zionists declared that the jews had no intention of sharing the land with anyone, however, and the troubles began.

[CyberGnu]

Jews are treated unfairly by the authorities, which did nothing to prevent attacks from raiders and pirates and charged the Jews for a lot of bribe money to get anywhere. Despite all this, the Jews were persistant, as this was better than returning to Europe.

And this is relevant how?

[CyberGnu]

Current tennants see the Jews settling in their precious completely uninhabited swamplands and desertlands and decide they don't like this one bit, so they continually harass Jewish villages and towns and the Jews just barely manage to defend themselves. Wherever Jewish defenses fail, innocent women and children are horribly massacred by the arabs.

You seem to have your timeline screwed up, as you placed Brits taking over after this part.

[CyberGnu]

Now illegal immigrants are sent back to Europe back to their oppressors, and after WWII began straight to the hands of the Nazis, which transferred them to work or death camps.

And this is relevant how?

[CyberGnu]

- Post-holocaust: the U.N. decides that the Jews deserve a national home to keep them safe from such atrocities as the holocaust in the future

See, now this is where the whole thing breaks down. Somehow Israeli apologists around the world expect us to take the line 'the germans were bad to us therefore we should be allowed to take the palestinians land from them' at face value. that it doesn't make logical or moral sense is as usual not important. Theft is theft, regardless of justification.

[quote]and approve several committees whose job is to suggest possible ways of splitting Palestine between the Jews and the Palestinians. Different committees make different suggestions, none of which is accepted by the Palestinians as they declare they are not willing to compromise on any of the land. [quote]

Well, duh... It doesn;t really matter how much land your committee decides to steal, it is still theft and no one would be expected to agree to it.

Some proposals outlined a Jewish state which was merely ~20% of Palestine, which the Jews accepted but the Palestinians rejected.

Partly lie. The palestinians rejected it, but so did the zionists.

They lobbied quite fiercly, especially with the US, and cried loudly when they only got 50% of the land.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

This is all fairly academic. The bombing has been condemned by the EU and UN. More significantly, even a White House spokesman has been making fairly irate comments.

Looks like a case of putting your foot in the line of fire to me.

[CyberGnu]

The U.N. approves a Jewish state which is roughly half the size of Palestine (don't be mislead though, about half our territories were desert lands). The Palestinians and arabs as a whole protest.

Don't be mislead though, the other half was the most fertile land in the area.

Furthermore, while only 25% of the population of palestine was jewish, by careful zoning the proposed state got 50% of the land and a population consisting of 51% jews.

Finally, the UN had no legal right to give away the palestinian land. They were only caretakers of the region, not owners. The arabs had the legal right to veto the suggestion.

[CyberGnu]

Palestinians move to Jordan, thinking that they could soon return and find out that all the Jews are gone.

*carefully ignoring the hundreds of thousands of palestinians who fled their homes thinking they would get killed by Israelis*

*also carefully ignoring the part where a palestinian who 'fled' had his land confiscated by Israel, even if he was only gone for half a day*


All in all, a good piece of what pro-israeli does best: No plain lies, just omissions of vital facts...

[Shiber]

Originally posted by CyberGnu


And this is relevant how?

Not directly relevant, just part of the story I was telling.
If you told the same story wouldn't you have mentioned the main motive that the Jews had to migrate to Palestine?

[CyberGnu]

The Air Force: blamed for choosing a 1kg bomb for this operation. However still, the bomb was VERY precise and
wouldn't have killed anyone unless the terrorist's wife and children were at home and unless this was a standard apartments block and not a block with many improvised apartments that were built between existing ones and with barely no space between them, which leads us to:

Ahh, yes, much like how the bomb in Hiroshima hadn't killed anyone if the entire town had gone to a picnic that day.

The General Security Service (was in charge of intelligence in this operation): blamed for conducting sloppy espionage which determined that:
A. The terrorist's wife and children will not be at home at the time of the attack.

Surely some high-ranked officer is going to get relieved due to this misfortunate screw-up.

AFAIK, the hamas-leaders wife and children WEREN"T home that day, as he lived alone (under an assumed name, no less). The other people killed were people living in the same building.

B. There will be no other civilians within the abovementioned laser-guided bomb's blast radius nor will any nearby apartments be severely damaged, resulting in the death of nearby tennants.

Well, since an army spokesman is on record saying 'we had to use an F-16 because an apache missile can;t take out a two story building' they obviously knew that there were more than one apartment.

[CyberGnu]

shiber, the motivation doesn;t matter. It still doesn;'t make it right to steal.

[CyberGnu]

Sharon: blamed for making a bad choice of words. He didn't know this attack would hurt others nor does he receive this information, he merely authorizes operations. If the army officials told him that it's very unlikely that civilians will be hurt in this attack then that's all he knew. Blaming Sharon for knowing that this attack would hurt civilians and authorizing it anyway shows of a completely misunderstanding of the structure of the Israeli government and military and the process of decision making.

Has he apologized to this day? I don't think so. Face it, he is a homocidal war criminal, and defending him only makes you a silent accomplice.

[CyberGnu]

All in all, it just shows what the majority of the world knows by know. Israel has no intention of getting peace. The greed of Israel has no constraints, and a peace treaty would effectively stop the continued land theft.

The only thing propping Israel up right now is the ignorance of american voters and the greed of american politicians. Disgusting.