HIV-positive muppet frightens Republicans

[Saint Marcus]

The reason for creating the muppet is to show kids that their HIV+ classmates are normal people to, and that you won't get infected from playing with them.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I don't see anyone demanding it either

and if you thik that that is proper children's fair, then you are a moron

Jon Miller

I don't think we should have the government ban talking about some of the realities of life.

Whether or not you think it's appropriate isn't relevant here, POLITICIANS are trying to LEGISLATE it to be off the air. THAT is wrong.

Whether you want your kid to watch it or not is UP TO YOU. You should not let an unattended 2-4 year old child watch TV anyway.

[Saint Marcus]

You should not let an unattended 2-4 year old child watch TV anyway.

Parents these days

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Asher

You seem to think they're going into gory detail on HIV on this show?


It's only a strawman because I'm exaggerating the stupidity of your argument.

If you don't want your kids to learn about tolerating people with HIV, don't let them watch the show. Isn't that what your V-chips are for?

Don't let your politicians force that opinion on everyone else. "get real" indeed.

why do they need to learn to tolerate HIV?

they don't even need to deal with it

I have no problem with my kids tolerating HIV

I ave a problem kids currently (in the US) learning about the issues relating to HIV, when that is not soemthing they need to deal with

they do need to deal with it in Africa, so it is good there

we do not need to deal with it here (At that age, just like people of that age do not need to deal with concerns relating to terrorist attacks and biological warfare and nuclear warfare and rape and all the other bad things in life)

it is not something they are going to run itno, so there is no need for them to learn about it (once mre for those of you having troubles understanding, I am refering to the US)

Childrens phsychies are well known to be fragile, putting stresses on them (Which are not needed) is a bad thing

Jon Miller

[Ned]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
The reason for creating the muppet is to show kids that their HIV+ classmates are normal people to, and that you won't get infected from playing with them.

But, AIDs should frighten kids. If there is a puppet that seems to be able to carry on a normal life after becoming infected, wouldn't this lessen the fear?

[Stefu]

Jon Miller, please start using period. There's something more than slightly off-putting in your posting style, and I think that lack of use of period is the main part of it.

Also, the Republican senators are just being stupid here. Complaining about HIV-positive muppet in ANOTHER FRICKING COUNTRY doesn't sound like a positive, uplifting activity.

But this takes the cake:

These stupid PC decisions come from middle class morons that are totally removed from society

This man must be -so- not-removed from the South African society.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Asher

I don't think we should have the government ban talking about some of the realities of life.

Whether or not you think it's appropriate isn't relevant here, POLITICIANS are trying to LEGISLATE it to be off the air. THAT is wrong.

Whether you want your kid to watch it or not is UP TO YOU. You should not let an unattended 2-4 year old child watch TV anyway.

it is sesame street

publicly funded in the US

so under US legislation

(and I agree on the unattended thing, but many people do)

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Stefu
Jon Miller, please start using period. There's something more than slightly off-putting in your posting style, and I think that lack of use of period is the main part of it.

Also, the Republican senators are just being stupid here. Complaining about HIV-positive muppet in ANOTHER FRICKING COUNTRY doesn't sound like a positive, uplifting activity.

But this takes the cake:



This man must be -so- not-removed from the South African society.

I agree that Republic Senators and the ranter are being morons. I just mentioned that I would agree with them respect to the US and my position gets attacked (mostly by strawmen arguments).

Jon Miller

[Ned]

There is a children's song, "Ring around the poises" that was intended to remind them of the black death. It ends with "We all fall down." The symbolism is clear. The black death was to be feared.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
it is sesame street

publicly funded in the US

so under US legislation

(and I agree on the unattended thing, but many people do)

Jon Miller

We're talking about the South African show specifically, which you apparently are in agreement about.

So I was talking on a more general scope, not just related to PBS shows.

Since from the sound of it, the Republican Senators don't want HIV in any shows watched by kids under 12?

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


it is sesame street

publicly funded in the US

so under US legislation

(and I agree on the unattended thing, but many people do)

Jon Miller

Sesame street is alos apparently sold to many countries throughout the world, so the question is: who owns the production company? Is it owned by PBS, or does PBS simply buy its product? If the production company is privately owned then I don't believe that the Senators have a leg to stand on.

[Saint Marcus]

I ave a problem kids currently (in the US) learning about the issues relating to HIV, when that is not soemthing they need to deal with

they do need to deal with it in Africa, so it is good there

Head in the sand approach huh? It isn't an Africa-only problem you know.

publicly funded in the US

so under US legislation

They could very well run it without US subsidies. It's popular worldwide.

BTW, isn't the Jim Henson company owner of Sesame Street? (though I think that company was bought by some supermajor).

my position gets attacked (mostly by strawmen arguments).

You don't have any arguments that hold ground.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Ned
There is a children's song, "Ring around the poises" that was intended to remind them of the black death. It ends with "We all fall down." The symbolism is clear. The black death was to be feared.

and they had to deal with it then

now we do not

and the children that sing it have no clue about it meaning

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


Head in the sand approach huh? It isn't an Africa-only problem you know.



They could very well run it without US subsidies. It's popular worldwide.

BTW, isn't the Jim Henson company owner of Sesame Street? (though I think that company was bought by some supermajor).



You don't have any arguments that hold ground.

are you saying it is an issues that kids of the ager2-4 need to deal with here?

you are a loony

8 or 9 is a good age, currently

if it become a problem such that kids 2-6 are hearing about it in their everyday life (even if only 10% of kids that age), than it will be time for it to be on telivision for them

Jon Miller

[Saint Marcus]

and they had to deal with it then

now we do not

Head in the sand again.

You think it isn't an issue in the USA?