HIV-positive muppet frightens Republicans

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Asher
Better yet why don't we make all TV shows about Christian Family values so everybody is happy?!

still attacking strawmen I see

Jon Miller

[Asher]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
no

it is apporiate for those who are older in the US now

I see no reason for those in the US age 2-4 to deal with HIV

you are being rediculous and attacking strawmen you have created

grow up

Jon Miller

But Jon it's not relevant to me. I'm never going go get HIV, right? I have the mentality of a 2 year old, and you discriminate against me repeatedly!

Christian Family Values.
Tolerance.

[Jon Miller]

I am totally disgusted that my children may be open to such an issue on a children's programme. It is stealing a child's innocence. Why not include child pornography and a paedophile vicar? Surely these issues affect children just as much. These stupid PC decisions come from middle class morons that are totally removed from society. I want to save my little girl from the horrors of the streets; I don't expect to sit her down in front of the real world, not just yet! - Simon Doderer, England

my statement was somewhat different

I agree with the last sentence though

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Asher

But Jon it's not relevant to me. I'm never going go get HIV, right? I have the mentality of a 2 year old, and you discriminate against me repeatedly!

Christian Family Values.
Tolerance.

you are not making any sense

Jon Miller

[Asher]

Are you one of those people who explains to children that when someone dies, they're actually on vacation in Australia?

[Saint Marcus]

my statement was somewhat different

Hardly. You use all the same arguments.

[Jon Miller]

I don't see anyone suggesting that we have a series of eboli Muppets

or muppets who have had extreme radiation or the like

where is your tolerance?

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Asher
Are you one of those people who explains to children that when someone dies, they're actually on vacation in Australia?

no

but I do not go into gory detail

get real, read what I wrote, quit attacking strawmen

Jon Miller

[Asher]

I don't see anyone suggesting that we have a series of eboli Muppets

or muppets who have had extreme radiation or the like

where is your tolerance?

Jon, do you see anyone here objecting to that?

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


Hardly. You use all the same arguments.

my understand is that her statemetn was in refernce to the aformentioned article

which it is a moronic reply to

also, my statemtn did not have the initial moronic rantings

Jon Miller

[Saint Marcus]

HIV positive doesn't mean you are dying. In fact, you can't even see if someone is HIV positive by anything on the outside (unlike your moronic examples). Only when it turns from HIV to full blown AIDS the effects become visible.

HIV+ isn't the same as AIDS.

It seems like your education on this matter is rather limited as well. Maybe you should watch the South African Sesame Street some time as well.

[Dr Strangelove]

HIV in young children is more fulminant than in adults. Before the introduction of antiretroviral drugs the average life expectancy of a child born with HIV was only 3 to 5 years as opposed to the average life expectancy of 10 to 15 years for an adult. I'm not sure how much drug treatment has changed the life expectancy of children born with HIV, though it has been determined that with aggressive perinatal treatment the rate of transmission from mother ot child can be dramatically reduced.

If a kid in an African school has a classmate who is HIV positive then HIV is very much an issue because that kid is going to be saying good bye to his little friend soon, because few South African kids are going to have access to state of the art treatment. Like I said, in little kids the prognosis is worse because the infection interferes with the maturation of their immune system. Without treatment they will develop AIDS by age 3 to 4 and will die within one year.

IIRC in the article about the puppet that I read it was stated that the doll would be used to teach children about HIV infection, how it spreads and how to prevent it. If they follow the advice of the Durban Conference on AIDS that means teaching abstinence. I don't see how any Conservative could be bothered by that.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
no

but I do not go into gory detail

You seem to think they're going into gory detail on HIV on this show?

get real, read what I wrote, quit attacking strawmen

Jon Miller

It's only a strawman because I'm exaggerating the stupidity of your argument.

If you don't want your kids to learn about tolerating people with HIV, don't let them watch the show. Isn't that what your V-chips are for?

Don't let your politicians force that opinion on everyone else. "get real" indeed.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Asher

I don't see anyone suggesting that we have a series of eboli Muppets

or muppets who have had extreme radiation or the like

where is your tolerance?

Jon, do you see anyone here objecting to that?

I don't see anyone demanding it either

and if you thik that that is proper children's fair, then you are a moron

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
HIV positive doesn't mean you are dying. In fact, you can't even see if someone is HIV positive by anything on the outside (unlike your moronic examples). Only when it turns from HIV to full blown AIDS the effects become visible.

HIV+ isn't the same as AIDS.

It seems like your education on this matter is rather limited as well. Maybe you should watch the South African Sesame Street some time as well.

I know perfectly well the difference between AIDS and HIV

it is the concepts if you are having a hard time

and I support the African Sesame Street

Jon Miller