HIV-positive muppet frightens Republicans

[Gibsie]

I saw the Tweenies explaining how a bloody checkout (much like the one I worked on for 10 months) was operated. not many of the kids the show is aimed at are going to be operating checkouts (maybe in a dozen years), but just because it's not an issue doesn't mean it should never be featured. Unless it's going to havea truly negative impact, what's the problem?

[faded glory]

Ohhh great. Again, this wouldnt be such a problem if TV didnt teaching morals, wtf, leave that to the damn parents. And people wonder why economic pirates are stealing Billions of dollars from there workers, 5 yr old Kids are being molested and killed on a daily basis, hell even the Church has totally lost any moral highground, religous fanatics are killing thousands.

There are no morals left. NONE.

The whole thing is ****in ridiculous. People with HIV should be treated like normal human beings. With RESPECT. Sadly, such things are lacking today. I fear for the future, where most people walk around and dont give a **** about anything except themselves, there power, and money. I think were almost there.


This is not a problem confined to our borders. It seems to exclusive be a western problem.

So what the **** are the republicans *****ing at? Let the damn show go on in africa. Let it go on everywhere. I dont give a flying bobcat ass. Since apparently, parents/school dont teach there kids about this stuff.

[NY Hoya]

Originally posted by Gibsie
Unless it's going to havea truly negative impact, what's the problem?

The issue is that the impact would be more negative than positive here. 3 year olds don't need to worry about issues like AIDS/HIV. They can't possibly understand it, so what's the point? The point in South Africa is that a sizable percentage of their classmates will have the disease, so they are forced to deal with the issue. In America, I cannot possibly see any benefit to teaching kids about it.

[Jac de Molay]

At least at that age, anyway. Almost all parents have no objection to teaching AIDs to teens in sex ed because thats where its important.

[*End Is Forever*]

The issue is that the impact would be more negative than positive here. 3 year olds don't need to worry about issues like Geography. They can't possibly understand it, so what's the point? The point in Europe is that a sizable percentage of their classmates will understand about the rest of the world, so they are forced to deal with the issue. In America, I cannot possibly see any benefit to teaching kids about it.

[faded glory]

Mark your comparison with HIV in US v Holland is deceptive and I bet innacurate.

First of all, we have more people than holland. A whole lot more people. Second, our AIDS infections have been dropping steadily in the past 15 years and is still doing that. The've recently leveled off and are not going down, but the problem from what I saw on PBS is in the rising HIV infections in the homosexual community more recently. I dont know there seems to be some sort of myth about it being cured and alot of people arent feeling the need to use condoms. Its not hitting drug users as bad, and it continues to decline in women.

Finally, I think you are exaggerating your claims that its 10x higher.

ahh my eyes.

[NY Hoya]

Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
The issue is that the impact would be more negative than positive here. 3 year olds don't need to worry about issues like Geography. They can't possibly understand it, so what's the point? The point in Europe is that a sizable percentage of their classmates will understand about the rest of the world, so they are forced to deal with the issue. In America, I cannot possibly see any benefit to teaching kids about it.

couldn't you come up with a more accurate analogy?

[*End Is Forever*]

The issue is that the impact would be more negative than positive here. 3 year olds don't need to worry about issues like life. They can't possibly understand it, so what's the point? The point in Europe is that a sizable percentage of their classmates are allowed to think for themselves, so they are forced to deal with the issue. In America, I cannot possibly see any benefit to teaching kids about it.

[Asher]

Originally posted by NY Hoya
The issue is that the impact would be more negative than positive here. 3 year olds don't need to worry about issues like AIDS/HIV.

You're right, and I don't think they'd have to.

I somehow doubt they'd go into detail about sex, T-cell counts, needles, etc.

Basically what it looks like it'll come down to is "Muppet is sick, but he's still our friend, let's give Muppet a hug and sing a song about the Number Six and play hide-and-go-seek with Muppet! yay!!!"

[Par4]

Why Again?

Maybe I'm wrong but I didn't realize we had problems with children being ostrasized for having HIV at a young age. I didn't know American elementary schools had kids who openly had HIV and had the other kids making fun of them or avoiding them and basically making them depressed. You know why I don't know about it, probably because we don't have a huge problem with HIV in elementary school aged children or HIV elementary age students being known about and being ostrasized and outcast. So the whole it's just going to make them feel good point is moot.

I agree it's not hurting anything to teach kids to be nice to open to people with HIV, and teach them that touching them or whatever isn't going to get them infected and die it's creating a big hooplah in congress and on the american agenda that doesn't need to be there.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

[Asher]

No one is saying to introduce it in the States, for **** sake.

I'm saying if they did introduce it, the government still has no right to jump in and pass laws saying they can't.

Can't you guys separate your own personal opinions and your own personal morals from seeing that the government forbidding all of that is bull****?

Next thing you know the Government will be banning violence of any kind on TV (the reports tell us they cause violence!), they'll be banning sex of any kind (encourages sex!), and no one can even say "heck" because we know what it's implying (damn heathens!).

Whether or not a children's show has an HIV character is up to the makers of the television show, not Big Brother.

Whether or not you agree with it is kinda moot. You don't have to watch it, you're supposed to be supervising your kids at that age so they wouldn't watch it unless you let them.

So you're right, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Tell the southern republicans to go away and stop crying. Or at least teach their feeble minds how to use the television remote so THEY don't have to watch it.

[Ramo]

Gotta love our conservatives.

[Par4]

I don't think the government should be getting all up in televisions business. However this television is owned and payed for by the government. So if it was introduced into the united states and a majority of congress or whoever voted to not have the HIV+ character I'd have no real problem with it other than they should be spending their time debating more important things.

The government, the US, pays for sesame street. I don't agree with an HIV character, I don't agree with the government wasting time legislating on. However if they feel the need that they have to being they have moral objections and since they pay for well so be it.

[Asher]

Then Seasme Street would simply switch networks, wouldn't it?

It's not like it's a no-name show...
I'm sure NBC/CBS/ABC would love it.

[Par4]

Then let them, and we would have nothing to argue about