US Congress lobbies for the return of the marbles of Parthenon to Greece.

[Bereta_Eder]

and a more laborate answer still.

Originally posted by Faeelin
I think we disproved that, didn't we? What with Athens in Ottoman hands, the Greeks were viewed by outside powers as over

The first part of Greece was already formed and free by that time. (mainly Pelopenese where the capital was, and not Athens). And expanding. The big Powers saw Greece as victor and an ally against the crumbling Ottoman empire (what as left of it).

Actually, the British had had supported from Europe since almost immediately after the end of the napoleonic wars. And, BTW, the revolution of Greece didn't really start until 1821.

Didnt quite understand your first statement. As for the second, yes and in that time all revolutions were characterised as "devilish" by the big powers after the napoleontian wars had left their scar. Devilish and which needs to be crushed that is.

Only because they couldn't figure out which side to roll over for.

Which made them roll over and play dead. Meanwhile the contribution of Greece is unparralleled in nation level with the exception of Russia.

As opposed, to, say, severing diplomatic relations with nondemocracies?

Shall I point out the fact that European nations (France, for instance) have had dealing with Saddam in weapons since the sanctions?

I'm not going to, since that's not the point at hand.

You too sell arms to not so democratic powers.

And yes as opposed to actually push for democratization of Turkey or at least not thrive at its military regime and dire human violations. Or is this unconceivable to you Faeelin?

Are modern greeks descended from ancient greeks? I thought modern ones were slavs.

Pathetic troll but for your information in case you are so ignorent. Which I doubt.

http://www.ahmp.org/fintimes1.html

Any more trolls dear?

[The Pioneer]

Paiktis is on a roll again....

Go Paikti, go

[Bereta_Eder]

Tous troo gia proino

They are the usual suspects Pioneer. A couple of Anti-Greeks full of lies and misinformation for whatever cause. Easy prey if you know the answers. I dont know all the answers of course but in a way they have helped me learn more about my country in order to answer their misinformation/lies.

I guess I owe them a thank you then

[The Pioneer]

Actually we all owe them that!

[Shi Huangdi]

"Britain did not intervened untill Greeks had already declaired their intependence and the Turks were beaten."

The Turks were hardly beaten, as Faeelin showed. They had taken Athens and were advancing. Compare the size of the Ottomans with that of Greece, and also consider the Turks had Egyptian help until the Great powers showed in.

"Although at the beggining we indeed did fight them."

Source?

In fact, can you give a non-biased(That is, not from Greece) source to back up any of your hellenic lies?

"
Turkey didnt even fight."

Paitkis show his historical ignorance one again. Turkey did indeed declare war on the axis near the end.


"Your betrayl of democracy in the most grottesque way in militarey regime Turkey says all about your dedication to freedom anyway. "

No, the USA is the great champion of democracy, and by siding with us Turkey is on the side of democracy(Which makes sense anyway since they are a democratic state). By your oppostion to the USA and Turkey you are enemy of freedom, democracy, and liberty.

"
You're so anti-Greek it's actually amuzing to toy with you."

Nowhere near as fun as trolling you- lines such as "Murderer of Peoples" and "are you even human?" are classic!

"http://www.ahmp.org/fintimes1.html "


Letters to the editor are not solid academic sources! And one at a website by the Hellenic Resources institute no less! You know no history, only Greek lies and propoganda. It is this propoganda that have filled your veins with hate towards the Turk and made you the extreme right-winger you are!

[Bereta_Eder]

Go to bed little turk.

You're Anti-Greek mania is getting the best of you.

[Bereta_Eder]

It has become an obsession for you

I think it has to do with your hatred towards your own turkish heritage otherwise, it can not be explained.

You need to cool down and start enjoying the freedom the US is amply offering you.

Or you can go back in Turkey

A girl would not hurt either, to relieve your anti-Greek tensions You are supposed to be the sick man of Europe, the prototype barbarian turk. I'm sure you can impress someone

[Bereta_Eder]

and again a mpore elaborate answer to the Greek hater.

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
The Turks were hardly beaten, as Faeelin showed. They had taken Athens and were advancing. Compare the size of the Ottomans with that of Greece, and also consider the Turks had Egyptian help until the Great powers showed in.

Athens was in the process of getting liberated. And they got the Egyptians, we go the Russians. We won. Surprise! The "big ottoman empire", the sick man of Europe was crumbling and finally its barbarism diying

Paitkis show his historical ignorance one again. Turkey did indeed declare war on the axis near the end.

And the Allies laughed at her face
It joined them when the war was already won. Bravo to the bravery of Turkey

Please.

No, the USA is the great champion of democracy, and by siding with us Turkey is on the side of democracy(Which makes sense anyway since they are a democratic state). By your oppostion to the USA and Turkey you are enemy of freedom, democracy, and liberty.

Yeah go kill a kurd or whatever it is you support

Nowhere near as fun as trolling you- lines such as "Murderer of Peoples" and "are you even human?" are classic!

Are you laughing or tearing your insides out...

I get the feeling it is the second.

Letters to the editor are not solid academic sources! And one at a website by the Hellenic Resources institute no less! You know no history, only Greek lies and propoganda. It is this propoganda that have filled your veins with hate towards the Turk and made you the extreme right-winger you are!

Nice try but no cookie.

Actually I think that your hatred towards me and the Greek people in general have made you sad.


Good

A fascist supporter of murders, rapes and tortures which are conducted in Turkey deserves no happiness

[Faeelin]

I'm going to regret this, but what made the Ottomans so barbaric? The greeks were treated better by them than they were their fellow Christians (In cyprus, the greeks enthusiastically welcomed the ottomans over the venetians).

[Bereta_Eder]

And if you want non -greek sources for that too, go search the international agencies. There's plenty of proof for Turkey's dire violations of human rights too.


Does that make me a right winger?

I'd say that makes you a murderer of the people because you not only deny it but seem to thrive on it


And yes your humanity is in question by what you say.
Sorry.

[Faeelin]

I'm asking about the Ottoman Empire, not the Turks. And thank you for your warm response.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Faeelin
I'm going to regret this, but what made the Ottomans so barbaric?

The fact that Zorba doesn't like them. It's due to a pathological hatred ingrained into the Greek psyche from the shame of being conquered by the sick man of Europe.

[Bereta_Eder]

What makes the Turks so barbaric...?

Hmmm, let's try a non greek approach since it seems to be very painful to you.

The armenian genocide rings a bell?

And you're funny when talking about Cyprus. I guess your knowledge about that ispretty limited too.

As for the occupation. Oh just the slaughters, the barbarism of islamic turkish culture and the snatching of young Greeks from their mothers. Go read on the jenisars.

Enlightnemt as well as other important movements of Europe slipped Greece by exactly because of turkish dark and oppresive "culture".

These are facts, I'm afraid.
Still this is the past and the future is something different.
It's just that Turkey doesn't seem to really want to be part of that. "Nationalistic"? I think not. Just pushing for democracy in Turkey unlike Shi.

[Faeelin]

No. I don't know what you've been brainwashed with, but nonbiased sources agree that, in 1570, when they took Cyprus, the Turks were preferred over the current rulers.

Same thing happened in Crete and Athens, btw.

The Armenian Genocide was atrocious, of course. But it's a bit unfair to condemn an entire 500 year history for the last 20 years, isn't it?

Regarding Janissaries: Bad, yes. But at the same time, were their future's going to have a greater chance of success with the janissaries, in the empire's state-run schools, and in which they had the potential to be ministers of the sultan himself, or as a greek farmer?

And how much worse was this than the rest of europe, which was busy slaughtering people by the million over religion?

And you're making a really, really, big mistake for calling the Turkish culture of the ottoman empire barbaric.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Just pushing for democracy in Turkey unlike Shi.

BS! Greece still dreams of implementing the Megali Idea hence the support for the PKK.