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**Bereta_Eder** · July 17, 2002, 10:54

Originally posted by Chris 62
The Limeys will never do it, if they do, then Europe's musems will be wide open to millions of claims for all the stuff they looted over the centuries.

And yet, this noble quest attracts more and more supporters.

US Resolutions For The Return Of The Parthenon Marbles (7/16/02)
Two resolutions tabled recently in the US Senate and the US House of Representatives call on the British government to enter negotiations with Greece as soon as possible to facilitate the return of the Parthenon Marbles before the 2004 Athens Olympic Games.

In the two resolutions, the Parthenon is characterized as the leading expression of the ancient Greek art and the main symbol of the Greek cultural heritage, copies of which can be found in many public buildings, including the Lincoln Memorial.

In the resolutions, the Parthenon is characterized as an ecumenical symbol of civilization, democracy and freedom making the return of the Parthenon Marbles an issue that concerns the whole world and not only Greece.

**MOBIUS** · July 17, 2002, 10:55

You're lucky the Marbles still exist...

Oh wait, you can thank us!

**Bereta_Eder** · July 17, 2002, 10:57

Quite the opposite, if you care to see the facts. Half of the marbles which you stolen have been damaged by you twice. The other half that remain in their rightfull place are unblemished.

**Chris 62** · July 17, 2002, 11:20

How many Euros?

Look at their attitude.

**Bereta_Eder** · July 17, 2002, 11:23

We will not give money to "buy" what was stolen from us in an act of barbarism that not even the goths or the turks were able to degenerate to

The marbles of Parthenon will return with the apologies of the British government for damaging them.

Time, time, time is on my side

**Bereta_Eder** · July 17, 2002, 11:25

and to be fair...

In April 1996, a program on Britain's Channel 4 asked viewers whether the Parthenon Marbles should be returned. Of 99,340 people who took part in the poll, 92.5 percent voted in favor of the proposal.

**The Pioneer** · July 17, 2002, 12:06

Originally posted by paiktis22
Pioneer,

hmmm, let's see... you have said that Thessaloniki is the most beautiful city in the world... you are not a fan of Panathinaikos.... could you be Aris or PAOK?

(in another thread I mentioned that Galis should be voted thebest athlete of the century) although sports don't interest me that much?! Sorry for threadjacking here.

**Shi Huangdi** · July 17, 2002, 12:44

Britain.

Paitkis sure is an ungrateful one. The British helped support Greece in their war of independence, and again was a key player in the war against Greece's occupiers in WWII. But instead of giving Britain proper thanks as they should, they whine and moan about a few dumb marbles. But then, I guess that is to be expected when Greece is full of right-wing nationalists like Paitkis.

The Marbles shall remain in Britain FOREVER.

**MarkG** · July 17, 2002, 12:54

we showed our gratitude to the British people by sending our royals to them. Now they have more to read mags about

if it's "a few dumb marbles" i'm sure the British goverment wouldnt mind...

**Bereta_Eder** · July 17, 2002, 12:55

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Paitkis sure is an ungrateful one. The British helped support Greece in their war of independence

Actually at first they dismissed the Greek revolution as a "devilish ploy". Later on they acknowledged Greek independence since Greeks were winning and it served their interests.

and again was a key player in the war against Greece's occupiers in WWII.

And I thought it was also the other way around.

Especially since Churchill said in 1941:

"From this point on, we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like the Greeks".

meanwhile your beloved Turkey remained with its head firmly burried in the sand during WW2. I wonder why.

But instead of giving Britain proper thanks as they should, they whine and moan about a few dumb marbles.

Your lack of culture shows you for what you truely are.

But then, I guess that is to be expected when Greece is full of right-wing nationalists like Paitkis.

You must have been looking at the mirror all the time lately.

The Marbles shall remain in Britain FOREVER.

Of course. And all americans will soon start wearing turbans. You are funny in your anti-Greek delirium turk american. I hope you get over it soon. Either way, you'll always find people like me against you

**Starchild** · July 17, 2002, 13:00

You managed to miss the point of my post completely Pak

I know the UK-US "relationship" is a one sided affair with overtones of S/M. I've noted how the UK's support has been rewarded with steel tariffs, farm protection, and having our opinion on the World Court brushed aside.

Take the marbles, keep the marbles, whatever. I don't know why the British Museum just doesn't make a damn copy of them and give the originals back to Greece. We've got 3D laser scanners, we've got precision equipment and there's tons of marble in the world. Hell, they do it for dinosaur bones, so why not cultural artifacts?

Barring that, we could imprint "Made in Greece" on the bottom of the Marbles.

Daughter of Jove! In Britain's injured name,
A true-born Briton may the deed disclaim.
Frown not on England; England owns him not:
Athena, no! thy plunderer was a Scot.

I'm only 1/16th Scottish, so don't blame me for the marbles. Take it up with the Scottish Parliament.

**Bereta_Eder** · July 17, 2002, 13:02

Not to say that Britain should be particularly thankful to people like you, Shi, who openly advocate funding of the IRA.

You are VERY confused...

**Bereta_Eder** · July 17, 2002, 13:08

Originally posted by Starchild
You managed to miss the point of my post completely Pak

I didnt miss it. I just thought it was funny that unlimited support for war on terrorism should translate also in the marbles of Parthenon

Take the marbles, keep the marbles, whatever. I don't know why the British Museum just doesn't make a damn copy of them and give the originals back to Greece.

I provided the reasons why in previous posts

Barring that, we could imprint "Made in Greece" on the bottom of the Marbles.

No, thank you, you did enough damage already

I'm only 1/16th Scottish, so don't blame me for the marbles. Take it up with the Scottish Parliament.

Hey, take it up with Lord Byron yourself

**Shi Huangdi** · July 17, 2002, 13:58

"Actually at first they dismissed the Greek revolution as a "devilish ploy". Later on they acknowledged Greek independence since Greeks were winning and it served their interests."

Britain intervened because of liberal sentiments. British intervention saved your country! Although I am sure had the Great Powers really understood how bad the Greek people are they would have intervened on the Ottoman side and let you people suffer.

"And I thought it was also the other way around."

And you were dead wrong. The combined efforts of the USA, UK, and USSR stopped fascist power in Europe. Heck, Britain has done so much for Greece you should have a "We love Britain!" day where you all salute the British flag and sing "God save the Queen!"

But, no, you are so incredibly right-wing you probably thought it was bad that the fascists lost in WWII.

**Bereta_Eder** · July 17, 2002, 14:06

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Britain intervened because of liberal sentiments.

Britain did not intervened untill Greeks had already declaired their intependence and the Turks were beaten. It was in Britain's best interest to support the Greeks against the Ottoman empire.

British intervention saved your country!

hardly.

Although I am sure had the Great Powers really understood how bad the Greek people are they would have intervened on the Ottoman side and let you people suffer.

Well, then we would have had to fight them too, then

Although at the beggining we indeed did fight them. Every revolution was automatically deemed as "devilish" after Napoleon. The same with the Greek revolution.

And you were dead wrong. The combined efforts of the USA, UK, and USSR stopped fascist power in Europe.

And Greece defeating Italy and forcing Germany to send myriads of troops permitted the Russians to catch the Nazis in the winter. Your point?

Turkey didnt even fight.

BTW, memorize that churchill quote.

Heck, Britain has done so much for Greece you should have a "We love Britain!" day where you all salute the British flag and sing "God save the Queen!"

How naive you are

But, no, you are so incredibly right-wing you probably thought it was bad that the fascists lost in WWII.

My family has lost people to the nazis. It is not even worth replying to that

Your betrayl of democracy in the most grottesque way in militarey regime Turkey says all about your dedication to freedom anyway.

You're so anti-Greek it's actually amuzing to toy with you.

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US Congress lobbies for the return of the marbles of Parthenon to Greece.

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