US Congress lobbies for the return of the marbles of Parthenon to Greece.

[Bereta_Eder]

Praied for its objectivity clarity and insight. and universally no less.

What you quoted doesnt say anything of substance now does it?. and what you have failed to "quote" is the whole deal my friend and thats what I did.

I find it simply amazing that you could even DREAM of comparing the darkness and opreesiveness the lethargy and slumbness of islamic ottoman "culture" with the renessance, the age of enlightment and the advancement of sciences that was going on in Europe.

That Europe from which we were forcefully detached for 400 years and thrown into a dark and "dead" culture by european standads.

I think your next masterpiece will be the denial of the holocaust.

i'm sure there must be a great book about that too.

What a joke faeelin. get a grip

[Shi Huangdi]

"hmm, I think that this time I have you really cornerned"

"If you cant beat them, join them huh?"

"BTW Shi seems to have left the arena bruised yet one more time."

"Shi is the one who got it up the (ahem) hard though and now it has become a habbit for him."

Amazing! Paitkis claims victory 4 seperate times in response to his post. Who is he trying to convince, himself? He doesn't seem like he is doing a very good job of it- saying you win doesn't make it so.

"There is no such perception in Greek, international or even turkish historians."

Sorry, only large scale foreign intervention would be enough to let Greece to prevail. Failing that- it would be a repeat of what Ataturk did to the Greeks.

"
I said that Turkey roled over and played dead which is exactly what happened."

You said Turkey did nothing. You were wrong. Twist is as you like, I was right you were wrong.



"Second Boshko trolled and was called on it. For all other info see my previous post, little deranged turk"

You still haven't provided any independent sources claiming you are the descendants of the ancient Greeks, Mr. Slav

"You will hear it every time you do this. Untill you stop."

Which is exactly why I won't stop. So I can keep laughing.

"Thanks"

No, thank you! Sig edited!

"And Turkey is not a democratic state by any means."

Which is why their are elections, change in power between political parties, power that is contested. (If the position of PM is just a puppet position, why is their recently such fierce competition over it)? Turkey is indeed a democracy, no matter how much you try to lie about it.

"Kurds will constitute 40% of turkey's population in 2020 so kurdish independence is coming despite the better efforts of Turkey's paramilitary whoch murdered tons of civilians through the years"

Genocide isn't as difficult as you have mentioned. The Turkish military was victrious in Kurdistan- it would be a simple matter to kill them. But they haven't, because this talk of Genocide is just a Greek lie. Heck, if there really is a genocide of the Kurdish people, how can you explain the numbers of Kurds living side by side with the Turks in Western Turkey near Ankara? You'd figure if there was genocide they wouldn't go right near to the capital to live amongst their murderers.

And didn't Greece help in capturing the Kurdish leader or something?

"BTW you really dont know me and your observations are not very penetrating as I see, so you might as well give up "

Sorry, Imran has got you here. You pretend to be a lefty, but you clearly on the far-right. You have made several racist comments against Turks, and it is easy for anyone to see you are an ultra-nationalist. I don't blame you though, the Greek education system well explains your hate.

"

And yet you seemlike you try to fight a bad curse"

If I really did see you as a curse, why would I continually troll you on every thread on Greece on Turkey? Clearly you are not someone who I feel any need to avoid.


The fact is, Paitkis, my trolling has already got you, and you admit it. You have made angry post after post, often taking more then one post to counter me, that has been to my great amusement. Once again, Thank you my friend.

[Bereta_Eder]

nice to see you crawling back for some more punishment little Shi.

I'm sure your twisted little soul has already started to get tired by your entrapement.

I know how to push your pathetic little buttons.

As for what you said you simply reapating your self over and over and IU have already discredited you multiple times.

The only thing that you have left to do is coming back for more and more punishment. You have turned into a rather pathetic little maschisist

[Bereta_Eder]

As for why you troll me...



you have no choice my little turk.

I humiliate you and provoke you relentlessly every time and you have to preserve some resemblance of descency and self respect.

That's why you always come back

And you always get more punsihment

The same happens now. And will happen again.

The sig looks fabulous BTW,but you should have included your support and denial of any wrongdoings in Turkey. Otherwise, it's just empty, like your arguments

[Faeelin]

Paik, you've effectively stood up and called a renowned scholar (who's also written a flattering book on Greece, btw) a liar, compared his teachings to the holocaust deniers, and indirectly referred to me as a neonazi. Rather than explaining how the points are true, you've simply said they aren't, without providing any references to back it up.

I stand corrected, take my hat off to you, and will henceforth never, ever, bother to debate with you again.

[Bereta_Eder]

faeelin, i said that the quotes mean nothing, and they dont. since they dont show the whole deal.

as for the holocaust, yes you got that right.


i prospoe you get rid your hat competely since it obstracts basic brain functions such as understanding written language

[Bereta_Eder]

So in the end of the day Shi, what remains?

Just you foaming at the mouth on your anti-Greek rants in a desperate attempt to get back at me for having pounded at you so hard all these months.

And the positive development for the noble quest of returning the marbles to Greece by the american Congress.

As for the rest, the scenario is well known.

You barge in, in yet another desperate ands soul racking attempt to redeem yourself for having been, well, fist ****ed in all our previous "confrontations" and getting the same treatment yet again.

I don't know if a more accurate metaphor for your pathetic state of psyche turning mascosistic is to be found in Marquis de Sade or in the myth of the Danaides.

But you sure keep muddling around in dark waters.

I'm glad I contribute with an iron fist in your predicament.
See I have no doubt that your voluntary blindness for tortures and political assassinations is ingraned far deeper than your anguish to "vanquish" me just one time.

That's a delisiously morbid soul twisting predicament you have arranged for yourself, if you ask me

[DinoDoc]

Zorba: This is just sad. You've been soundly beaten and are reduced to repeating the same tired arguements that have been defeated earlier in the thread with only the lol smilie to make it look like a real arguement.

[Bereta_Eder]

hardly unless de cathedra statements and the vague mention of random paragraphs which do not create a ocnclusion are considered undisputed facts.

[Bereta_Eder]

As for my lack of sources, well I dont think there is any argument against the fact that european enlightment cannot be compared with ottoman "culture".

except maybe in revisionist america?

this sort of quality statements do not really require any answer.

[Bereta_Eder]

The rest is Shi saying the same rants over and over again. And trying to look like he's enjoying himself counting the number of my posts.

[Bereta_Eder]

So let's recapitulate.

What Shi said.

1. Without the Big Powers Greece would have been crushed.

Did he offer any proof or link for that?

No he just assumed it.

2. Greeks are slavs. (that's his favorite)


Did he offered any proof for that one either?

No he just relied on a troll by Boshko and he never read the answer.

3. Turkey is a democracy.

well not really any question that's his delusional on this one.

4. The marbles will NEVER return to Greece.
again proof full.

Ass for Faeelin, he's just knee deep in revisionist propaganda based on a "universally reknowned book" which says that ottoman culture was better than the age of enlightnemnt in Europe.


So tell me Dinodoc, are those really the "arguments" I have been sadly defeated by?



Don't think so. Just Shi and a few other fishes getting tangled up in the net again

[Faeelin]

Ahem Paik.

i never said it was better. I'm saying your constant deridement and trashing of the Ottoman Empire is unjustified.

[Ramo]

I love these threads.

[Bereta_Eder]

That's good to hear Faeelin, I was starting to give up all hope on you.

As for your second point. No I do not think it is unjustified if you compare it with what Greece MISSED while being under occupation and behind the "iron curtain", if you will, of an islamic uninovating culture while Europe was entering the age of enlightnement.


Also if you think I'm forceful, it's because several treats of the backwater culture of the ottomans are still here in Greece today and are weighting down on the Greek people still.


So my disdain for the ottomans, I think, is justified.

Could you imagine what a Greek (or even Roman) renescance would look like? Or what contributions the Greeks could have given in the european age of englithnemt?


Sorry but I see this era of the 400 years of occupation as a very cruel ironyplayed to us by the Gods

When Europe was entering the age of self conscience, the same Europe we gave birth to, we were away and enslaved.


I guess this is one of my main "problems" with the ottomans.