Why you can't satisfy ANY demands by terrorists before ridding of every one of them

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Chris, tell me, did you get some therapy after the 9/11 events?

No, did you?

Maybe you always had a hard time telling political opposition from racism, maybe you are just influenced by pro-israeli hatemongers reflex anti-semite accusations, but maybe the events hurt you deeper than you are aware.

I can tell the difference, the problem is, you can't, or perhaps you'd like to explain why you cheer gleefully whenever jews are killed?

If so, you can get help.

Your the one that needs it dear boy, and quite desperatetly.
Maybe someday you will understand Jews are people, and that they just as much right to the holy land as the arab side, and have always been willing to share it peacefully.
Maybe someday, but from your continous diatribes, highly unlikely.

For a Dutchmen to have such hatred of jews is quite unsettling, considering you come from a free society.
BTW, it's interesting on how you call your consistant anti-semitism "Politics", it reminds me of your spirtitual decendants, you remember them, they goose-stepped and wore funny arm bands.
You fit right in with them.

"Political oppostion...."

[ranskaldan]

This thread needs a bit more calmness.

If CyberGnu and Chris 62 both agree to stop insulting each other, I'll join in.

(No, Chris 62, I promise I won't be insulting you here, if you do the same.)

[CyberGnu]

Well, Chris, what you are saying would make sense if only I was anti-semitic. Alas, I am not. I am fiercly anti-zionist, however.

I don't cheer gleefully. I don't accuse the palestinians of commiting a crime when they kill someone from the Israel, however, as Israel is occupying their country. Quite a difference.

I don't expect you to get it. Seek help. I think you can even get it for free through one of the sept 11 charity programs.



Ranskaldan, I've already asked him twice.


Zevico, note the word 'even'. The most effective propaganda pieces are the ones where the lies are many and small. If they would lie about an easily verifiable thing such as population of palestine, the piece would quickly be exposed as what it is. Instead they skirt the truth, by carefully leaving out itesm such as that the jewish population of palestine was less than 25.000 (or less than 4%) in 1900. I can give you a source if you want.


As for the JP, me and Siro have been debating a quite blatant fabrication for quite a while. the headline read that 40 Al-Quida fighters had settled in palestine and were paid by Arafat. The story was written by a freelance journalist, based in London, who in turn quoted Die Welt. There are two problems here: If this story was true, it would have been carried by every single newspaper in the US. (and we would have heard the sound of cruismissiles hitting the PA offices). Second, Die Welt never reported this story in the first place.

I wrote two emails to the JP, asking them for a more definite source, but I never got a reply. Siros best defense so far is that maybe Die Welt has a smaller web-edition than their printed edition. I think this is a weak defense at best, and what remains is that the JP fabricated a headline story, AFAIK only to inflame the situation even more.

[Sava]

You shouldn't waste your energy on a pud like CyberGnu, Chris... it seems to me like he thinks he's the big fish in his own little bowl

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

So if one is rich he does not commit terrorism? Tell that to OBL. Maybe he didn't read the script.

If the Muslim world was as rich as the European one, OBL wouldn't have many friends, and not nearly enough to do anything greater than car bombs.

And whose responsibility is that disparity in wealth? The Muslim world put it's collective head in the sand centuries ago, and even though they have been given a golden opportunity in the last 50 years to pull it out via independence from imperial control, contact with Western technology and social systems as well as a huge amount of capital via oil wealth they have pretty much squandered those opportunities and sit around and stew about how the West has screwed them. Now take a look at the countries of East Asia, mostly poor in natural resources, wobbly after the depredations of the imperial era and devestated by WWII. They are light years ahead of the Muslim world. It's the culture stupid.

[Az]

Sikander

This fact has even been acknowledged by a commission of experts from arab countries , that have studied the issue. Israel also has a part they say (well how not ) , But it's by merely giving an excuse to the arabs. I guess we're at fault because we exist.

[Guest]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
And I am, of course, waiting for an apology.

Not getting one from me!
I posted what I thought was factual. Turns out it was wrong.
I corrected that. No cause to apologise.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Well, Chris, what you are saying would make sense if only I was anti-semitic. Alas, I am not. I am fiercly anti-zionist, however.

You crossed the line long ago, you are what your words say, you should take a good long look at yourself and what you post.
If you have any morals at all, you will be as apalled as many of us are at what you say.
It's one thing to oppose Israel's postion today, and another to deny fact and history as you do in every ME thread.

I don't cheer gleefully. I don't accuse the palestinians of commiting a crime when they kill someone from the Israel, however, as Israel is occupying their country. Quite a difference.

Further proof that your not anti-zion, but anti-semetic.
You should really seek help.

I don't expect you to get it. Seek help. I think you can even get it for free through one of the sept 11 charity programs.

Your continous postion that anyone who supports jews is tramtised by 9/11 is further proof of the delusional state you live in.
The person sorely in need of help goes by the name of Cybergnu, and it's a real shame you choose to be childish rather then to correct the postion you always take.

You shouldn't waste your energy on a pud like CyberGnu, Chris... it seems to me like he thinks he's the big fish in his own little bowl

Sava, personal attacks aern't the way, we are dealing with a sick mind, the only hope is to convince him that jews are people with rights, not to insult him.

This thread needs a bit more calmness.

If CyberGnu and Chris 62 both agree to stop insulting each other, I'll join in.

(No, Chris 62, I promise I won't be insulting you here, if you do the same.)

Nobody is looking to insult anyone ranskaldan, I was simply telling a new guy what to expect from this person, as it's always the same, he will carry on page after page, you can throw links, books, history by the ton at him, and he will call it lies and say you have presented nothing.
He's a textbook example of a closed mind, and someone that manages to turn every ME thread into something less then enjoyable.
At one time I lost my temper with him, at the time I'd assumed he was rational, and that was a serious error on my part, now I hope he will seek the counciling he so desperatly needs, and begins to understand that murder and killing, no matter waht the cause, isn't a good thing.
As you see in his last responce to me, he feels Jews lives are worthless, and that it's just fine to kill them, I hope that someday he will disperse such hateful notions.

[CyberGnu]

CICSmaster, not for being wrong. For being sarcastic while wrong.

[ranskaldan]

mmmm, i detect much gunpowder.

alright, here's a suggestion.

why don't CyberGnu and Chris 62 each write a paragraph or two on their own views?
(no rebuttals)
then at least we get a slightly more moderate view of both perspectives.

[CyberGnu]

Chris, blaming me for your problems isn't going to help you. It might feel good to accuse me of racism instead of confronting your own demons, but it is a temporary solution. In the end, it is only selfdestructuve.

Alas, I'm not going to get through to you. Maybe a close personal friend could get you to seek counseling. For your sake, I hope so.

[Chris 62]

You are a pitble individual Cyber, how many here have told you?

You will never improve till you get past your hate of jews, blaming me is not the way.

You must respect human life, and you never do.

I truly pity you, you are the most disturbed person i've ever seen on line.

[CyberGnu]

As I said, blaming me for your problems isn't going to help you.

[ranskaldan]

Apparently my attempt at reconciliation didn't help.

Alright, I'll leave the two of you to continue to insult each other and ruining each other's moods.

Have fun.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
As I said, blaming me for your problems isn't going to help you.

My "problem" is I want to help you understand human life is not to be taken lightly, and that jews are humans.

Won't you at least try to get past your irrational hatreds?