Turkey's Government Crumbling.

[Imran Siddiqui]

"sensitive" laws always have to get a green light from the military regime.

these are the laws that prohibit civil liberties, allow tortures not alloing a democracy to funtion etc.

Like an oversight committee. How does that amount to dictatorship? It doesn't. Just Greek propaganda.

and cyprus was invaded with the blessings of the US.

Yep and we should have. The turks were attempting to prevent a total Greek takeover of the island.

[Bereta_Eder]

imran, what you mean is that free democracy is not applicable in turkey.

still, there can be steps towards it. the military regime is not to be helped by undermined. islamism is to be mooted and the democratic forces of turkey promped up.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

"sensitive" laws always have to get a green light from the military regime.

these are the laws that prohibit civil liberties, allow tortures not alloing a democracy to funtion etc.

Like an oversight committee. How does that amount to dictatorship? It doesn't. Just Greek propaganda.

read the article you just posted.
tortures in jails, killings of kurds and serious human rights violations and suppression of civil liberties is not greek propaganda. EU says it, and the US says it, onmly not too loudly so it doesnt loose turkey from an ally.

and cyprus was invaded with the blessings of the US.

Yep and we should have. The turks were attempting to prevent a total Greek takeover of the island.

you should have blessed the massacre of hubndernds???


godamn it you deserve one million OBLs you *****!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Yep and we should have. The turks were attempting to prevent a total Greek takeover of the island.

Actually, that's not true. The problem was that the Cypiot president was anathema to the rightwingers running the three other governments concerned, the US, Greece, and Turkey.

[Bereta_Eder]

1600+ men, women and children still missing

70,000 held hostage in concentration camps


5000+ massacred or napalmed


thousands tortured and beaten
200,000 ethnically cleansed


500+ churches desecrated or destroyed


murders of refugees continue to this day

see what youve done you *****

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Takism8.htm

[The Pioneer]

Paikti sit tight I've got a turkish co worker of mine to give us back Konsantinoupoli, he only wants to be able to visit

As for the germans they do not know anything about Turkey, their military, Kurds, Armenians and muslims. At least most of them! There's lots of germans who go to Turkey to for vacation because you can get something like a week there for 200 to 300 euros, including the flight!!! Anyway I say that they will get a wake up call when their Chancellor's name will be something like Abdullah Karim Ahmed Mullah or something (1 in 10 is turkish or from turkish origin in Germany!!!). So maybe the Kurds will regain their freedom but the turks will take over this wonderful land.

[Bereta_Eder]

and lets not forget who was backing up the JUNTA that was attempting to unite cyprus with Greece at that time.

im not saying that there was a parthenogenisis of the enosis idea but to say you "should have" makes you deserve whatever's coming to you.

[Bereta_Eder]

ecthelinaki is a troll. imran is just ignorant.

[Shi Huangdi]

Looks bad. In times of domestic trouble, wars make for good methods to unite the people behind the government. It's time to wipe Greece off the map.

[Bereta_Eder]

now do you wanna talk or do you want to troll?

Imran, bypassing your attrocius ignorant statement,


the military regime acts like the guardian of the secular system in Turkey as laid out by ataturk, in this you are correct.

most of th civil rights violations happen because of culture (e.x. gyneconolical exames of virginity for girls to be allowed to schools etc)

the government of turkey tries to put all these practises behind it.

if an islamist regime comes to power you can forget about that.


still the military has important say in: the kurdis question.

i mean it is ridiculous not to let mothers give their children kurdish names. this is the regime's action on that. as is the regimes action to not allow them to speak their language in publiv etc.


it is the regime's action to allow tortures in jails of people who only want to speak their minds and DEMOCRATISIZE turkey. as well as keeping in bay islamists.


and it is the regime that wont bring itself to come to a compromise with greece in the aegean.

as i said the only difference between the silamists and the military is the inner laws of turkey. the latter is better.

as for external relations its the same.

and again there is one concrete step to take in order to help turkey alieviate somehow its problems:
reduce arms purchases.

the military wont even let them do that in a time like this.



on an optimistic note, Cem announed today the formation of his own party... if it goes wel, who knows.


and che, yes the greek JUNTA (lets not forget that) was as responsible as turkey and the us for cyprus.


lets forget the fairy tales, cypriotes didnt want anyobody on their island, but themsleves.

[Bereta_Eder]

all the turk trolls are here i see. here's shi. not worthy of an answer as always. just hush little shi and wait for your dirty bomb boy.

[Bereta_Eder]

what do you think is more propable to happen shi?

as for the current situation the parameters are very bad for Turkey in geopolitical terms and that's the grim reality.

the outstanding issues are

_euroarmy: EU has already accepted the Greek proposals. Greece has the presidency of the defence buraeu of the EU (since Denmark opted to decline to take it).
with an unstable government in Turkey, with whom are you going to do business with?

_Cyprus assession to the EU in 2004. There is a GOLDEN opportunity to reunite the island without bloodshed. Denktas has to have his reigns pulled from Ankara from this to work. Ankara is in tatters, solution will not be found.

_economy...
as I said, there is a concrete step propsoed by Greece: we BOTH reduce our military spending (which for Greece is the highest % in Europe). We can afford it they cant.
But we will BOTH benefit. Military wont let her do that.


Sin Athena kai heira kinei

Help yourself and god (or allahin this case) will help you.

you cant save someone who doesnt want to be saved.

[The Pioneer]

Originally posted by paiktis22
_economy...
as I said, there is a concrete step propsoed by Greece: we BOTH reduce our military spending (which for Greece is the highest % in Europe). We can afford it they cant.
But we will BOTH benefit. Military wont let her do that.

Now that is something that can catapult both countries into dimensions never before imagined, problem with Turkey is that they cannot afford it. To much military influence and way to many borders with not all that friendly countries and I am not talking about Greece here.

[Bereta_Eder]

The military regime of Turkey has obliged the "government" to use large sums of the IMF loans to keep the arms race going...

IMF's not too happy about that.

if they want to jump off the cliff, so be it.

As for the other threats facing Turkey. Yes, this is a hard reality and I agree with you. Still one less threat (Greece) should logically permit them to do some savings and some cut backs?

Especially since their military has for decades now assessed Greece as their most dangerous threat and we say, we are WILLING to cut back on arms.

and still they dont cut back. Some military men dont want to loose their comfy jobs me thinks...

we (Europe) sometimes forget how valuable to a country democracy really is...

luckily we (Greeks) always have Turkey to reminds us.


and the real victims in all this charade, remain the people of turkey, kurds and turks alike.

[Ecthy]

get a messenger, guys