Turkey's Government Crumbling.

[Bereta_Eder]

The biggest blow is the departure of Cem. He and Papandreou have been instumental in at least trying to forge something that could be described as "friendly" relationships with the two countries.

But IMO, no GREAT loss since the final word always rests with the military regime that controls Turkey.

Also Islamism or not same difference.

Of course for the people of turkey i wish democracy. since this is not acheavable (for now?) the military dictatorship is better than islamist regime for them.


For Greece, nothing changes. Both regimes are just as abnoxious, we've lived side by side with both islamist and military turkey.


I would just like to say that Turkey has a lot to gain from friendly relations with Greece. and vice versa.

we could do a lot to help if only the miliary regime and their "aspirations" would go away.

after US divided cyprus things got worse but still we can make it work.

if nothing else, a friendly relation would lead to reucement of military budgets.

the military regime of turkey is insane. the people are starving, the economy has crumbled and it still wont let go of the arms race. even after greece has proposed to also curve its military spending.

thats what happens when a country has no democracy

we have nothing to separate with the turkish people

[Ecthy]

Are there not elections in Turkey?

[Bereta_Eder]

ecthelinaki greeks lived in those parts 50 years ago.

also you are a barbarian. who cares what a "german" wants who has no culture. it is not the same. sorry.

[Bereta_Eder]

if there were free elections in turkey the islamists would win hands down.

[Ecthy]

And Slavic people that deem themselves hellenic have culture? How ridiculous.

But I know you're just trying to be cool, you loser.

[Bereta_Eder]

and ecthelinaki i was talking about cyprus not asia minor.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Dont use the word "invasion". It is not invasion to take back your land.

I'm glad you said this... perhaps when Turkey takes it all over you'll say the same .

And there is no way you can call Turkey a military dictatorship. The military is VERY powerful, yes... but it does NOT make laws and policy. It sometimes will overthrow Islamic parties (in the tradition of AtaTurk), but the lawmaking is left to civilians.

[Bereta_Eder]

you just like to say that to make you feel better for being a barbarian.

unlike you, i respect slav people.

slavs and greeks never mixed.

get off your nazi evaluation of peoples

[Ecthy]

And it's good it overthrows Islamic parties.

[Eli]

Originally posted by paiktis22
ecthelinaki greeks lived in those parts 50 years ago.

So what?
Jews lived in Gush Etzion 50 years ago, but now it's an "illegal settlement".

[Ecthy]

slavs and greeks never mixed

and greeks were never ruled by turks?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Exactly! Sometimes free democracy isn't the best way to go!

[Ecthy]

Really, Im? I always thought the Weimar model was just perfect.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Dont use the word "invasion". It is not invasion to take back your land.

I'm glad you said this... perhaps when Turkey takes it all over you'll say the same .

And there is no way you can call Turkey a military dictatorship. The military is VERY powerful, yes... but it does NOT make laws and policy. It sometimes will overthrow Islamic parties (in the tradition of AtaTurk), but the lawmaking is left to civilians.

"sensitive" laws always have to get a green light from the military regime.

these are the laws that prohibit civil liberties, allow tortures not alloing a democracy to funtion etc.

and cyprus was invaded with the blessings of the US. not the same as asia minor and you know it.


ecthelinaki, apart from the fact that you got bombed off your ass in dersden turks and greeks remained segragated too.

accept the fact that youre a barbarian and you will feel easier about yourself. a nazi barbarian, but hey nobody's perfect (but you've overdone it)

youre just repeating nazism, is it in your blood?

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
Really, Im? I always thought the Weimar model was just perfect.

"german" talks about democracy