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  • #106
    Fez, I just looked into my Lonely Planet guide, in which it says that an estimated 40% of possilbe workforce is unemplyed. So my number was a bit off, bit it only reinforces the point I was trying to make: I'm pretty sure that the rates are drastically worse in the Western Sahara. And before you say that the official numbers say that there the rates are around 70% (IIRC): true, but those official numbers do not make the difference between Saharaoui and Moroccan immigrants into the region. If you walk around there, you'd be hard pressed to find Saharaoui with a job, most of them are simply not allowed to get one. Official jobs are completely out of the question, the only way is to begin a business of your own.

    There is one 'job' that is allowed: Polisario warriors are given a pension by the state if they turn themselves in. Most of the times it means waiting in prison for a few years, but from time to time (last time with the coronation of Hassan, but probably with his wedding now too) those warriors are given a pardon, and get a pension. And, if they want, a house in the northern part of Morocco, to get them out of their own country. The amount of pestering is impossible to describe, so I can imagine they want to flea to Spain. Certainly because many of the Saharaoui want to have their country back as a Spanish colony, if only to get rid of the Moroccan military threat (which is substantial, even if their army is smaller then the Spanish one)

    DeepO

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    • #107
      Spain's military sucks quite a bit. Lucky for them, Morroco's military is even worse.

      Cripple fight!!!
      Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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      • #108
        Says a Dutchman.

        -Arrian
        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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        • #109
          Originally posted by DeepO
          Fez, I just looked into my Lonely Planet guide, in which it says that an estimated 40% of possilbe workforce is unemplyed.
          CIA says 23%. Travel.dk.com/wdr says about the same. Spain's unemployment just fell to single digit numbers recently... 9%. But there still isn't enough jobs for immigrants.

          And before you say that the official numbers say that there the rates are around 70% (IIRC):
          I really don't know where you are getting these numbers from. Morocco has one of the more functioning economies in Africa after Tunisia.

          There is one 'job' that is allowed: Polisario warriors are given a pension by the state if they turn themselves in. Most of the times it means waiting in prison for a few years, but from time to time (last time with the coronation of Hassan, but probably with his wedding now too) those warriors are given a pardon, and get a pension. And, if they want, a house in the northern part of Morocco, to get them out of their own country. The amount of pestering is impossible to describe, so I can imagine they want to flea to Spain.
          Our unemployment rate is still high in Spain (9%) and another thing is 4 out of 10 immigrants in Spain are detained or arrested according to an recent article in El Pais.

          Certainly because many of the Saharaoui want to have their country back as a Spanish colony, if only to get rid of the Moroccan military threat (which is substantial, even if their army is smaller then the Spanish one)
          Why would they want that?

          Suck dirt, Marcus. At least we spaniards have a nice country and a decent military...
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #110
            Originally posted by Saint Marcus
            Spain's military sucks quite a bit. Lucky for them, Morroco's military is even worse.

            Cripple fight!!!
            Undoubtedly, a "great" opinion

            what a pity!!!
            Israel = apartheid

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            • #111
              Guys serouisly, Unemployment numbers really are irrelevant when Jets are over punding cities.

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              • #112
                Originally posted by faded glory
                Guys serouisly, Unemployment numbers really are irrelevant when Jets are over punding cities.
                I want to say thank you.

                Well, thank you for the F-18s.
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #113
                  Suck dirt, Marcus. At least we spaniards have a nice country and a decent military...
                  Nice country? Sure! If you don't leave the tourist areas like Salou and Benedorm. And decent military? Like in most third world nations, the economy is in shambles but the governement still manages to pay the troops.

                  Popquiz: Which country has the least unemployement, and the highest GDP/capita, Holland or Spain?
                  Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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                  • #114
                    Originally posted by Saint Marcus


                    Nice country? Sure! If you don't leave the tourist areas like Salou and Benedorm.
                    HAHA! Salamanca. One word Salamanca. You twirp! THE EUROPEAN CULTURAL CAPTIAL named by the EU. HAHAHAHA. You so praise the EU it is hypocritical.

                    And decent military?
                    In contrast to the military of your country, which still has about half of its army on horses (just kidding) but seriously has a big problem with F-16As crashing because it can't upgrade them.

                    Like in most third world nations, the economy is in shambles but the governement still manages to pay the troops.
                    Like in most third world nations including your's but not mine of course. My country is not third world smart ass.

                    Popquiz: Which country has the least unemployement, and the highest GDP/capita, Holland or Spain?
                    Holland certainly doesn't.
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #115
                      Originally posted by Fez


                      I want to say thank you.

                      Well, thank you for the F-18s.

                      Well, who in Europe does not use the F-18 Hornet/land based version? Its no doubt one of the best scramble jet fighters in the world. (when properly armed and used of course)

                      Of course you can send all the F-16's and MiG-29's back to Russia and USA once the Eurofighter's start getting dispersed.

                      But the F-18 is pretty Unique.

                      Question? Why do Spanish soldiers on the island look our guys in Vietnam? The helmets and all..... Wonder if this is a NATO standerd.

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                      • #116
                        We keep them in good shape and have them armed well. Our Mirage F1 fleet is also doing well, but we are waiting for Typhoons.

                        Question? Why do Spanish soldiers on the island look our guys in Vietnam? The helmets and all..... Wonder if this is a NATO standerd.
                        Ummm no.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #117
                          Spain:

                          GDP - real growth rate: 4% (2000 est.)
                          GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $18,000 (2000 est.)
                          Inflation rate (consumer prices): 3.4% (2000 est.)
                          Unemployment rate: 14% (2000 est.)
                          Debt - external: $90 billion (1993 est.)

                          Holland:

                          GDP - real growth rate: 4% (2000 est.)
                          GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $24,400 (2000 est.)
                          Inflation rate (consumer prices): 2.6% (2000 est.)
                          Unemployment rate: 2.6% (2000 est.)
                          Debt - external: $0


                          Tough choice


                          The F-18 is less capable than the Rafale, the Eurofighter or the JSF, according to a recent study done by the Dutch airforce.

                          And before saying we're biased, Holland is set to purchase the JSF, an American aircraft.
                          Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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                          • #118
                            Our Mirage F1 fleet is also doing well


                            Antique aircraft you got there.

                            No doubt the Mirage is a capable fighter aircraft, but only the Mirage 2000s are up to par these days.
                            Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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                            • #119
                              Originally posted by Saint Marcus
                              Spain:

                              GDP - real growth rate: 4% (2000 est.)
                              GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $18,000 (2000 est.)
                              Inflation rate (consumer prices): 3.4% (2000 est.)
                              Unemployment rate: 14% (2000 est.)
                              Debt - external: $90 billion (1993 est.)
                              Hey bam, the unemployment is 9% according to a recent report.

                              Holland:

                              GDP - real growth rate: 4% (2000 est.)
                              GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $24,400 (2000 est.)
                              Inflation rate (consumer prices): 2.6% (2000 est.)
                              Unemployment rate: 2.6% (2000 est.)
                              Debt - external: $0


                              Tough choice
                              Holland doesn't have that at all. 2.6%? 90% of them are probably working on the state sector... keep it up and you will end up like Argentina.

                              The F-18 is less capable than the Rafale,
                              NO.

                              the Eurofighter or the JSF,
                              Yes. The Eurofighter and JSF is based on new technology. We will get first shipments of 87 Typhoon Eurofighters....

                              according to a recent study done by the Dutch airforce.
                              There is a Dutch Airforce?

                              And before saying we're biased, Holland is set to purchase the JSF, an American aircraft.
                              It can afford that?
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #120
                                BAH! Double post.
                                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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