Police Brutality at LA

[MrFun]

Humans in general (of all races) seem to have this low capacity or low ability to learn from past mistakes.

Some police officers in Los Angeles still have not learned anything from the 1992 race riot in Los Angeles.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Carver

The qoute is taken completely out of context. The race-baiting author seemingly wants us to think Mugabe views all whites as evil. Well the Ian Smith regime was evil. Apartheid South Africa was evil.

While I don´t deny the good things Mugabe did as a freedom fighter these last few years he´s gone completely of the deep end. The man has become a paranoid racist bastard, much like Josef Stalin was.

Mugabe´s gotta go. A new government must be elected.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Mugabe has long since ceased to be a part of the solution. He´s now the problem

I think that is the main problem with Africa recently. Leaders, who seemed they could make a difference, being corrupted by power that they could wield absolutly, and then becoming the problem. Vicious circle.

[Zoid]

Nicaragua is another fine example. The sandinistas really messed that one up Or Lech Walesa, as soon as he got into parliment he started getting delusions of grandeur...

[Capt Dizle]

Whenever there is a scuffle during an arrest there is a pretty good chance that after the suspect is subdued he is gonna get whacked a few times by an embarrassed cop. Garden variety cops are a lot like strutting roosters. There are hundreds of thousands or maybe millions of young American males that will become hostile and even violent if you simply look at them.

Haven't you heard this before? "What are you looking at?" When confronted like this you have to avert your eyes and find something non-confrontational to say or else you can get into a fight. I can guarantee that if you just go out on the street and just look at people, make eye contact and refuse to break it and refuse to say the proper things...you will get your ass whipped.

This is human behavior. Or maybe animal behavior like two dogs that meet with their tails stuck up in the air. Gonna be a fight unless one sticks his tail between his legs and drags his belly on the ground.

Cops are subject to behaving like this cause they are just people. Training reduces this type of thing but cops working in high stress, high crime areas like LA are going to break training more often than in rural America.

Yes, sometimes, racism is a factor in this. Almost all people have racial prejudices. But there are thousands of incidents like this every single day in America. Most of the time it's fueled by embarrassment and fear rather than sustained by a systemic predisposition. Given the gang history in LA and all of the reporting done on brutality in the LAPD I think is it reasonable to assume that a police culture of violence reaction existed at one time. I think the LA police department changed because of the King incident and changed for the good.

I have witnessed a few incidents like this. It's not unusual. It was just caught on tape. And what I have seen of the tape is pretty mild compared to the beating that Rodney King took. There is no evidence IMHO that there is some root evil to this. Boys will be boys.

Fire the cop and forget it.

By the way, in America there is little or no punishment for simple assault. You can go punch someone out with little thought to consequences (unless you are wealthy in which case - lawyers!).

[Carver]

Originally posted by Kamrat X


While I don´t deny the good things Mugabe did as a freedom fighter these last few years he´s gone completely of the deep end. The man has become a paranoid racist bastard, much like Josef Stalin was.

Mugabe´s gotta go. A new government must be elected.

Agreed. Mugabe has not handled the land reforn program properly. The farms should have been marked for repossesion, the farmers given notice and then sent packing. But the process in Zim has been less orderly than would be ideal.

[Carver]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
If it is a poor troll why don't you counter his assertions

I believe I did. The rediculous assertions by Radu and some posters here that Mugabe is a racist are completely unsubstantiated. I am quite sure that many of the whites who call Mugabe a racist would not think of doing so if he were white and the evicted farmers black. Then he would just be "rectifying an historical injustice".

Sorry, your Communist paradise leader Mugabe is a bad man, and an evil rascist. I know facts are hard for you to take sometimes .

I seem to be one of the very few posters in this thread who knows anything of the facts. Its amazing (well not really) that so many people who never called apartheid South Africa "evil" call Mugabe evil at the drop of the hat. A few dead, precious white bodies and Mugabe is evil. While apartheid can kill hundreds of thousands (including the Pretoria organized civil wars in Mozambique and Angola) and the white government is just our "partner against communism" and we have to use "constructive engagement". Ronald Reagan called apartheid "our friend". That is a blatant double standard, it is disparate treatment of whites and blacks, it is another example of white racism.

Thank You.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Carver
Its amazing (well not really) that so many people who never called apartheid South Africa "evil" call Mugabe evil at the drop of the hat.

You seem to take great pleasure in assuming that one is incapable of think that both regimes are evil and racist. Why is that?

[Chris 62]

The trouble is, carver, you are basing your postion on a double standard, that it's alright to kill whites because of past grievences, yet evil to kill blacks via aparthied.

Either your for or against both, or your a hypocrit.

That's what they are trying to tell you.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I believe I did. The rediculous assertions by Radu and some posters here that Mugabe is a racist are completely unsubstantiated. I am quite sure that many of the whites who call Mugabe a racist would not think of doing so if he were white and the evicted farmers black. Then he would just be "rectifying an historical injustice".

So this is how you argue? Put words into other people's mouths?

facts. Its amazing (well not really) that so many people who never called apartheid South Africa "evil" call Mugabe evil at the drop of the hat.

And how do you know me or Kamrat didn't call apartheid South Africa evil? Oh, just you putting words into people's mouths again. I see.

we have to use "constructive engagement". Ronald Reagan called apartheid "our friend".

You mean the same president who used the constructive engagment idea of economic sanctions? Same thing we have against Mugabe's racist state?

Hey, you can see what you want to see, but perhaps you should lay off the drugs and come to reality.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Thousands, if you pay attention.

Because it usually isn't.
Am I going to fast for you?

Do you have any facts to back up your claim?

When was the last time a bunch of people stopped a cop from beating up a suspect?

A lot of people here are jumping to the conclusion that racism was not a factor, even though there are no facts yet to support that assertion. At the same time, there are no facts yet to support the assertion that race was a factor.

[Carver]

Originally posted by Chris 62
The trouble is, carver, you are basing your postion on a double standard, that it's alright to kill whites because of past grievences, yet evil to kill blacks via aparthied.

No. Killing is wrong period. Mugabe should not be out to kill whites, and I have seen no evidence that he is. People here have seen reports of a few whites dying during a turbulent and tense political situation and are assuming that the deaths are organized genocide. No whites were lined up and shot by Mugabe's men. They died during chaotic situations during which many more blacks died . As I've said Mugabe has been wrong to let the land reform program become so chaotic. But loosing control of a situation is not synonomous with racial hatred.

[Carver]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
And how do you know me or Kamrat didn't call apartheid South Africa evil? Oh, just you putting words into people's mouths again.

I never put one word into anyone's mouth. I don't know how you or many others here feel about apartheid. I said many people who attack Mugabe never scolded apartheid with the same energy.

You mean the same president who used the constructive engagment idea of economic sanctions? Same thing we have against Mugabe's racist state?

Reagan (and Big Bush) were vehemently opposed to economic sanctions on South Africa, they didn't even enforce the military sanctions wholeheartedly. Reagan vetoed the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act of 1986. Congress overrode his veto in what was on of the few veto overrides related to foreign policy in the 20th century (if not the only one).

[Carver]

The guy who filmed the incident in CA is on BET Tonight With Ed Gordon right now.

[KrazyHorse]

I was 11 years old when Mandela was freed from prison. I wrote an essay for my Grade 6 English class about it and my aunt held a party in commemoration of the event.

And Mugabe is still a complete tw@t.