Why Convert?

[Lincoln]

Look at a teapot. The lid fits on a rim that is smaller that the diameter of the vessel. Or you can have a vessel that has a rim that is larger than the diameter of the vessel like some vases.

[chequita guevara]

Lordy, now I have to dig out my Bible.

Okay, it says, "it was round, ten cubits from brim to brim, and five cubits high, and a line of thirty cubits measured its circumfrence." (New Oxford Annotated Bible).

Doesn't say whether the circumference measures the base, the brim, or someplace in between. It does say the brim is "like a cup, like the flower of a lily." This doesn't really tell us anything. It's left open for interpretation.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Hm, I smell a Hasty Generalisation here, if not a downright Red Herring.

I generalize because Christians are generalized, and because a good number of athiests in my community have openly bashed...I choose not to argue.

Are you saying that Christians don't follow science at all?

I should have put quotations.

None. Re-read your quotes again. They are all directed against an institutionalised belief, not against people.

An attack against a belief is an attack against the people who believe it.

At the very least, we don't tell people that they are to be blamed for things that they didn't do. We don't tell people that they are going to suffer eternally.

Who's generalizing now?

[Guynemer]

Apparently, the answer to my question is "no".

[Provost Harrison]

Re: Why Convert?

Originally posted by SKILORD
I see Aetheists are often attempting to convert christians to evolution and i must wonder why. I can see no rational reason why. I would think that Aetheists of ALL peaople would be least connested emotionally with religious issues and yet in general they are rabid about the issue and will not tolerate christianity although i can't see why they'd care.

Oh don't expect us to care that much. I don't go out actively looking for Christians to convert, we don't get 'heavenly reward points for every conversion', just call it a 'preemptive strike' if you will because I have had friends who are Christians try every now and again to convince me of the merits of 'biblebashing'. I cut that out from the start, completely and unapologetically.

And remember, this is a website, I am going to debate and argue and articulate my point. I consider religion full of crap, I just like to clarify the reality of the issue. It isn't religion that gets me, it is ignorance, or trying to argue something from a position of ignorance, that gets my goat.

This WILL be a reasonable discussion between a group of rational human beings, not a pitched abattle. Capishe?

Ooooh, get you

[Lorizael]

The Pi issue doesn't specifically matter. What matters is that a religion in America could believe something that most of the population considers to be false.

By the logic given here, that would mean this fact we believe is true should not be taught in school, for the simple reason that there a some people who do not believe this fact. Do you understand the point?

And the reason to convert Christians or other religious people.

Because discussion is a good thing. It generates ideas.

Because I believe I am right and want others to at least consider my point. If you don't want people to disucss things with you, then you are being closeminded. I'm trying to prevent ignorance.

And I don't actively convert people. But when someone attempts to convert me, I will do the same to them. It's only fair.

[Sava]

Just curious, when was the last time an atheist started a war over a scientific idea? Oh yeah, NEVER...

[November Adam]

Originally posted by Sava
Just curious, when was the last time an atheist started a war over a scientific idea? Oh yeah, NEVER...

Na the atheist will just use their scientific discoveries as tools of mass death and destruction!

[Lorizael]

Atheists used weapons of mass destruction? When? Where?

[November Adam]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
But Lincoln, the Bible said it was a circle, and that it was 10 across and 30 around. Now, from Mathematics, we know that if you divide the circumfrence (30) by the diameter (10) you get Pi. In the passage in question, Pi must =3. Since we know that Pi does not =3, then the vessel must have been incorrectly measured (or, more likely, rounded off because the ancient Hebrews couldn't handle the concept of non-whole numbers). In any event, the Bible is wrong in this one place (at the very least). There is no way around this.

Either we are reading the passage incorrectly or it has been translated into English incorrectly or the Bible has a fact wrong.

but chegitz you answered this yourself...

*more likely rounded off because the ancient Hebrews couldn't handle the concept of non-whole numbers*

is an answer rounded up or down wrong? I don't think they really cared if people in the future rounded to the nearest tenth, one hundredth, or whole number. It doesn't make it wrong, just not as accurate as it could be.

Hell in home construction rough framing tends to round up to the nearest 1/4", or 1/2", but in machining its to the nearest 64th of an inch.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Weren't Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot all atheists?

[Asher]

Hitler was a Christian.

Some of his quotes:

From Mein Kampf:

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

From a speech in 1922:

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

Hitler is also quoted as saying:

"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out".

(Source: Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press, 1942)

[Lorizael]

How many wars have there been? How many happened to be started by religious people? How many happened to be started by atheists?

I'm betting the percentage will be pretty close to the percentage of those that have a religion and those that don't. Citing facts proves nothing. There needs to be reason.

[Provost Harrison]

Laz is just stirring

It just shows that you can get bastards in any walk of life.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Lorizael
How many wars have there been? How many happened to be started by religious people? How many happened to be started by atheists?

I'm betting the percentage will be pretty close to the percentage of those that have a religion and those that don't. Citing facts proves nothing. There needs to be reason.

You're using percentages? OK.....

Take "Wars started by theists" as "A".

Take "Wars started by atheists" as "B".

Which shows the greatest increasing trend?