Why Convert?

[Provost Harrison]

Well only because there weren't any atheists before, or very, very few...

[Lorizael]

Do you have statistics, RJ?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Asher
Hitler was a Christian.

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."

10th October, 1941, midday

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."

14th October, 1941, midday

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State."

13th December, 1941, midnight

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... transubstantiation>....
"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease."

Source: Hitler's Table Talk (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953)

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Asher
Hitler was a Christian.

Some of his quotes:

From Mein Kampf:


From a speech in 1922:


Hitler is also quoted as saying:

(Source: Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press, 1942)

Hitler obviously did not believe in free will, in which the Bible clearly says that people can believe in whatever they want to believe, but of course there's only one belief system that is correct.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Lincoln
Look at a teapot. The lid fits on a rim that is smaller that the diameter of the vessel. Or you can have a vessel that has a rim that is larger than the diameter of the vessel like some vases.

Lincoln, all of this is irrelevant. There are those who hold a religious belief that Pi=3. Does this preclude us from teaching that Pi is an irrational number?

[Mr. Nice Guy]

As you can see by Dinodocs post, Hitler was quite a corrupted man. Certainly you don't believe in Hitler's ways, do you Asher?

[Guynemer]

Frankly, I've always found any attempt at conversion, be it Christian to atheist or visa versa, to essentially being a long, frustrating attempt at masturbation without anything to show for it at day's end.

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Lincoln, all of this is irrelevant. There are those who hold a religious belief that Pi=3. Does this preclude us from teaching that Pi is an irrational number?

I only entered this discussion to correct an obvious error that comes from trying to interpret a book without reading it in context or understanding its spiritual nature. Someone said that the Bible can be made to say almost anything, and that is true. But those who claim that it is inaccurate ought to study it for a few years before they make complete fools of themselves.

I don't claim to know the exact interpretation in all instances but I do know enough about it to say that it cannot be disected correctly by someone whose intention is to ridicule it. The Bible says plainly that the message is hidden from the non-spiritual. And people can believe anything they want but that does not change reality.

[KrazyHorse]

I'm not trying to ridicule the Bible; I'm demonstrating that a major segment of your society believes (or believed until fairly recently, at least) that Pi = 3. I was then asking Skilord to apply his reasoning as to why evolutionary biology shouldn't be taught in school to this subject, something he refused to do (he tried to draw attention off the question by starting a separate argument that the Bible shouldn't be interpreted to meant Pi = 3).

[Mr. Nice Guy]

What exactly is Pi? That rings a bell somewhere, but I just can't get it out.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Hey Lincoln, have you checked your PM's lately?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Cloud9
As you can see by Dinodocs post, Hitler was quite a corrupted man. Certainly you don't believe in Hitler's ways, do you Asher?

What a sleazy thing to say. Nowhere did Asher say he had any sort of agreement with the views of Hitler. This is a plain nasty statement. Very un-Christrian of you.

[Boris Godunov]

[SIZE=1] Originally posted by The Emperor
An attack against a belief is an attack against the people who believe it.

BZZZZZ no it isn't. 100% wrong. You can attack any idea or belief without attacking the people who believe it. That's how we got away from the whole earth-is-flat and -earth-revolves-around-the-sun nonsense.

If you take someone using scientific reason to question your beliefs as an insult, that's your problem, not his.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
What a sleazy thing to say. Nowhere did Asher say he had any sort of agreement with the views of Hitler. This is a plain nasty statement. Very un-Christrian of you.

Well, excuse me. No one is perfect.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Cloud9
the Bible clearly says that people can believe in whatever they want to believe, but of course there's only one belief system that is correct.

Reminds me of the "hate the sin, love the sinner" attitude most of you take with homosexuals. Awesome job.

DinoDoc: Has anything changed, or are all of those quotes against Hitler being a Christian still hearsay? All of the public records show Hitler proclaiming himself to be Christian (see my quotes), but somewhere along the lines "private conversations" were unveiled by Christians which "proved" that Hitler was atheist.