SAT no longer standardized

[Ramo]

What is the point?

[Ramo]

GP and Apoc, if calculus were added to the SAT, do you guys seriously think school curriculums wouldn't change?

[Apocalypse]

The point is that the SAT doesn't decide the cirriculum.

[Ramo]

It certainly affects it.

[Victor Galis]

I have that too. It is called walking on the grass. Don't be afraid to get your shoes a little dirty.

-That only works when there is grass Which is a couple places, but a couple others, there really is no way to walk on the grass, or really any grass thanks to the hill/trees.

I need evidence too. I just remember it from my head. If I can't remember some counter evidence from my head, I'll just attack their evidence for being invalid and nullify any need for me to have evidence on whatever subject.

-I'm beginning to think we did different sorts of debate here. You didn't do policy did you?

I knew the time period was 1810 to 1860, with a little thought it was obvious it would be about reform movements/

-1875-1925 is fun... it could be about the Populist movement, or WWI, or the Progressive movement, or the railroads, or a couple other things

[Apocalypse]

That is a silly argument. Calculus will never be added to the SAT. The SAT is (at least until 2005) based on cirriculums, not the other way around. If everyone was taught calculus by the junior year, then the SAT would probably touch on it too.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Ramo
And GP, changing the SAT should be done to encourage the school systems, not students, to change their agendas.

How. Government order? The SAT is a tool that schools use for admissions. It is optimized for that. You want to use it for some little pet project that you've got. (I was tempted to say "bug up ass".) Lots of states already require curriculums well beyond the minimum needed to take the SAT. In any case, its an aptitude test. If you think your state should have higher standards, just go urge them to put in the tests that NY has for HS graduation. Or the curriculum requirements that lots of states have. Or honors curriculums.

And what is all this BS about requiring calculus. You are way out in left field there. Obviously you think everybody should be like you. Plenty of people can contribute a great deal to the world and still take calculus in college or not at all.

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Victor Galis
-That only works when there is grass Which is a couple places, but a couple others, there really is no way to walk on the grass, or really any grass thanks to the hill/trees.

Bah. I walk in drainage ditches at times.

Originally posted by Victor Galis
-I'm beginning to think we did different sorts of debate here. You didn't do policy did you?

I've done both policy and LD. Policy is a little more evidence based, but you can spend a great amount of time just attacking their evidence instead of looking for your own.

Originally posted by Victor Galis
-1875-1925 is fun... it could be about the Populist movement, or WWI, or the Progressive movement, or the railroads, or a couple other things

It could be about a few things, but you just have to look at the trend and look for what was leaked out before the test.

[Ramo]

The SAT is based on what the College Board thinks best predicts college performance, not curriculums.

That is a silly argument. Calculus will never be added to the SAT.

It might with some serious federal pressure. It's a hypothetical question. Answer it.

[Apocalypse]

Yes, but why would the government pressure it? You didn't answer my comment about how the SAT is based off cirriculum. Analogies, reading comprehension, vocab, algebra, and geomotry were all things that nearly all cirriculums focus on before there even was an SAT.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Ramo
It certainly affects it.

I think it has little effect on curriculums at this time. If changed, it might have some effect...although I think you seriously underestimate how hard it is to drive change. Regardless. I think schools should set their curriculum as they see fit and that change should be driven on a local level.

The SAT is a tool of the unis. It is a statistical instrument designed to test success likelihood. It is optimized for that purpose. I doubt that your changes would help much. Especially since shools already look at transcripts to see the level of classes that astudent has taken. (Remember in a multifactor regression, you want "independent" factors to build a better Rsq.)

[Ramo]

How. Government order? The SAT is a tool that schools use for admissions. It is optimized for that. You want to use it for some little pet project that you've got. (I was tempted to say "bug up ass".)

That's exactly true.

Lots of states already require curriculums well beyond the minimum needed to take the SAT. In any case, its an aptitude test. If you think your state should have higher standards, just go urge them to put in the tests that NY has for HS graduation. Or the curriculum requirements that lots of states have. Or honors curriculums.

None of that can be done federally.

And what is all this BS about requiring calculus. You are way out in left field there. Obviously you think everybody should be like you. Plenty of people can contribute a great deal to the world and still take calculus in college or not at all.

Never said otherwise. It should be done simply a pressure to give everyone the opportunity to get a decent high school education, as well as increase minimum standards to a reasonable level.

[TCO]

You're answers are non-responsive at this point, Ramo. If you have something useful to say, please do so. Otherwise, I'm wasting my time.

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Ramo
Never said otherwise. It should be done simply a pressure to give everyone the opportunity to get a decent high school education, as well as increase minimum standards to a reasonable level.

I'm sorry, but if you are going to keep arguing this, would you please explain was is so f***ing important about calculus? I know it is important for many people, but few go into a field where they'd need to know it by the time they are done with their junior year.

[Ramo]

Yes, but why would the government pressure it?

Analogies, reading comprehension, vocab, algebra, and geomotry were all things that nearly all cirriculums focus on before there even was an SAT.

I think it has little effect on curriculums at this time. If changed, it might have some effect...

The SAT is a baseline test. This very fact is what affects curriculums currently.

Especially since shools already look at transcripts to see the level of classes that astudent has taken.

The level of classes isn't anywhere nearly as important as SAT scores or GPA's.